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  • AV123 "X-Plosive" prototype

    Before AV123 went belly up I bought one of the prototype X-Plosive cabinets that Mark had and it's been sitting in my basement now for a few years doing nothing.

    I have a UFW-10 with a Dayton 240watt amplifier and driver that I'm thinking of transferring over to the X-Plosive.
    Here is the amplifier (I was the one who suggested to Mark to use these for replacements since he wasn't actively helping people until he saw how well this amp worked.



    I was also thinking of buying a Dayton SA-230 external amplifier, blocking off the amplifier opening and also buying a Pioneer TS-W254R 10" subwoofer to use in the cabinet.



    The cabinet already has a passive radiator installed so what are your thoughts? The Pioneer sub can't be any worse than the driver used in the UFW-10 can it?

    I'm not putting this together to replace either of my MFW's, just tinkering around with it.



    PIONEER TS-W254R Champion Series 10" Single 4 Ohm 1100W Subwoofer Sub
    • Power Handling: 1100 watts, RMS: 250 watts
    • Impedance: 4 ohm
    • Large binding posts for heavy gauge wire
    • Mounting Depth: 5"
    • Urethane surround for generous amounts of excursion
    • Best tuned parameters provide superior sound quality and reliability
    • 6-Layer long high temperature voice coil design
    • 33 oz large strontium magnet structure
    • Frequency Response: 20-220 Hz
    • IMPP Composite seamless cone woofer for a rich bass sound
    • Sensitivity: 93 dB
    • Extended pole yoke improves linearity during long excursion
    • Vented pole yoke allows better heat dissipation and increased power handling
    • Xmax: 4.7 mm
    • Extended excursion design provides longer travel to create loud bass output
    • Cutout Dimensions: 9-1/4"
    • 10" Single 4 ohm Champion Series Component Car Subwoofer
    Samsung 55inch UN55C8000 TV
    Marantz SR5003 7.1 Receiver
    Samsung BD-D6700 Blu-Ray
    Apple TV 160gig (upgrading to 750gig soon)
    Harman Kardon 5 disc CD player
    Motorola HD DVR
    Klipsch RF-82 Mains
    Klipsch RC-64 Center
    Klipsch RS-42 surround's
    Klipsch RS-42 Rear Channel - single
    2 - AV123 MFW-15 Subwoofer's, V2 Amps - Moho Rosa Satin

  • #2
    I don't know about the Pioneer being worse than the UFW driver but based on experience with the Pioneer sub drivers of the past in my car audio days I'd say there are better offerings out there. A lot of people like the Type-R Alpine drivers but if you've already got the amp and driver from a UFW sitting around I'd say give those a try as they're free :applause:

    Any pics of the cabinet? I remember Mark and Seaton talking about that one forever ago!

    Scott

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    • #3
      +1 on cabinets pics. The X-Plosive (a pair of them) was the AV123 sub offering I was most interested in for a stereo setup.

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      • #4
        If you email Mark Seaton (find him on http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com) he may have some notes still on what the targeted specs were for driver and amp. It would at least provide a guidepost on what to get. Who knows, maybe you'll get lucky and he'll have a prototype driver laying around.
        Angel City Audio
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        • #5
          Originally posted by skeeter99
          I don't know about the Pioneer being worse than the UFW driver but based on experience with the Pioneer sub drivers of the past in my car audio days I'd say there are better offerings out there. A lot of people like the Type-R Alpine drivers but if you've already got the amp and driver from a UFW sitting around I'd say give those a try as they're free :applause:

          Any pics of the cabinet? I remember Mark and Seaton talking about that one forever ago!

          Scott
          I decided I'm keeping the UFW-10 so the driver and amp will need to be purchased but considering the specs of the Pioneer having a sensitivity of 93db will be helpful with the lower powered SA-230. I don't have much of a budget and the back of the X-Plosive doesn't give me many plate amp options so the external should work out, or if the amp from the UFW fits the X-Plosive I may order one for it.

          I am going to try the UFW parts for now to get an idea of how this sub will perform, the stock passive radiator looks a bit weak so I may need to order a better one of those at some point as well.
          Samsung 55inch UN55C8000 TV
          Marantz SR5003 7.1 Receiver
          Samsung BD-D6700 Blu-Ray
          Apple TV 160gig (upgrading to 750gig soon)
          Harman Kardon 5 disc CD player
          Motorola HD DVR
          Klipsch RF-82 Mains
          Klipsch RC-64 Center
          Klipsch RS-42 surround's
          Klipsch RS-42 Rear Channel - single
          2 - AV123 MFW-15 Subwoofer's, V2 Amps - Moho Rosa Satin

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DeeJayBump
            +1 on cabinets pics. The X-Plosive (a pair of them) was the AV123 sub offering I was most interested in for a stereo setup.
            It's in my basement so I need to dig it out but I believe the one in this picture is the same one I have. I'll take a picture tonight.

            Samsung 55inch UN55C8000 TV
            Marantz SR5003 7.1 Receiver
            Samsung BD-D6700 Blu-Ray
            Apple TV 160gig (upgrading to 750gig soon)
            Harman Kardon 5 disc CD player
            Motorola HD DVR
            Klipsch RF-82 Mains
            Klipsch RC-64 Center
            Klipsch RS-42 surround's
            Klipsch RS-42 Rear Channel - single
            2 - AV123 MFW-15 Subwoofer's, V2 Amps - Moho Rosa Satin

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            • #7
              Originally posted by woofersus
              If you email Mark Seaton (find him on http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com) he may have some notes still on what the targeted specs were for driver and amp. It would at least provide a guidepost on what to get. Who knows, maybe you'll get lucky and he'll have a prototype driver laying around.
              I spoke to Mark about this a few years ago, I'll contact him again and see what he says.

              Here are the specs from AV123 back in 2007...

              Specifications:
              • Dimensions: 15.75"X16.5"X24.375"
              • Speakers:
              • Active 10" woofer
              • 12" Passive radiator
              • Amplifier: 175 watts
              Samsung 55inch UN55C8000 TV
              Marantz SR5003 7.1 Receiver
              Samsung BD-D6700 Blu-Ray
              Apple TV 160gig (upgrading to 750gig soon)
              Harman Kardon 5 disc CD player
              Motorola HD DVR
              Klipsch RF-82 Mains
              Klipsch RC-64 Center
              Klipsch RS-42 surround's
              Klipsch RS-42 Rear Channel - single
              2 - AV123 MFW-15 Subwoofer's, V2 Amps - Moho Rosa Satin

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              • #8
                Originally posted by KlipschHead281
                It's in my basement so I need to dig it out but I believe the one in this picture is the same one I have. I'll take a picture tonight.
                Cool, looking forward to it, thanks.

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                • #9
                  If you decide you don't like it or want it lying around... hit me up! :)


                  Robert

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                  • #10
                    X-Plosive Pictures

                    Sorry it took an extra night, I work crazy hours...

                    There is checking occuring but it still looks fantastic.
                    I do believe by comparing the pictures that this is the one showing on the production line above.





                    Samsung 55inch UN55C8000 TV
                    Marantz SR5003 7.1 Receiver
                    Samsung BD-D6700 Blu-Ray
                    Apple TV 160gig (upgrading to 750gig soon)
                    Harman Kardon 5 disc CD player
                    Motorola HD DVR
                    Klipsch RF-82 Mains
                    Klipsch RC-64 Center
                    Klipsch RS-42 surround's
                    Klipsch RS-42 Rear Channel - single
                    2 - AV123 MFW-15 Subwoofer's, V2 Amps - Moho Rosa Satin

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                    • #11
                      Nice. Thanks for posting these.

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                      • #12
                        Man that sucker is DEEP!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by skeeter99
                          Man that sucker is DEEP!
                          Yeah it sure is, hard to believe they only planned on using a 175 watt amplifier for it. The opening is so small I can't find anything to fit so I either block it off and use the SA-230 or make the opening bigger for the Dayton 240 watt plate amp.

                          Not sure yet what to do... the passive radiator is non-adjustable as well and is kind of wimpy might have to upgrade it as well.
                          Samsung 55inch UN55C8000 TV
                          Marantz SR5003 7.1 Receiver
                          Samsung BD-D6700 Blu-Ray
                          Apple TV 160gig (upgrading to 750gig soon)
                          Harman Kardon 5 disc CD player
                          Motorola HD DVR
                          Klipsch RF-82 Mains
                          Klipsch RC-64 Center
                          Klipsch RS-42 surround's
                          Klipsch RS-42 Rear Channel - single
                          2 - AV123 MFW-15 Subwoofer's, V2 Amps - Moho Rosa Satin

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                          • #14
                            I'd say open it up bigger, put in the dayton and your UFW driver and see how she does. If you destroy the passive radiator its not like you'll be out anything as it would probably need upgraded anyway ... :applause:

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                            • #15
                              If you want to put a few dollars into it check this out:

                              10" Driver: http://www.creativesound.ca/details.php?model=SDX10
                              12" Adjustable Passive Radiator: http://www.creativesound.ca/details.php?model=APR12

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