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    Room / Speaker Analysis and Calibration / Correction
    updated: 1-11-2011

    * Under Construction !!! *

    Audyssey
    Audyssey Basic starter-links (from soundlvr @ AVS):
    - Audyssey homepage
    - types of Audyssey implementations in different receivers (and other electronics)
    - Audyssey FAQ
    - Audyssey setup guide (from giomania @ AVS)

    - AVS - "Official" Audyssey thread
    - Stereophile review
    - "Audessey [sic] professional calibration worth every penny" thread (@ AVS - David Shapiro) - link


    Dayton OmniMic Precision Measurement System
    - CHT post (this thread) = Post #12
    - AVS link

    Room EQ Wizard (REW)
    - REW
    - REW V5 Beta feedback - HomeTheater Shack thread


    XTZ
    - XTZ Room Analyzer
    - XTZ "Buy & Try" program
    - XTZ Stereophile review by Kalman Rubinson


    Two channel <$1K EQ devices to look at (listed by Kal Rubinson @ AVS):
    JBL Pro
    KRKSYS

    ================================================== ==========
    SPL meters, sub calibration, etc." thread (@ Home Theater Spot - Mike_TX) - link



    Sound Pressure Level (SPL) Meters
    - Galaxy Audio Check Mate (CM) 130 - link [no line-out, so not for REW, TrueRTA, etc]
    - Galaxy Audio CM140
    ---- link
    ---- S&V mini-review - link
    - Galaxy Audio CM150 - link
    - Galaxy Audio CM160 - link
    - Galaxy Audio CM-C200 SPL meter calibrator - link
    - Radioshack (RS) Analog model 33-4050 - link
    - RS Digital model 33-2055 - link

    Note (from HTShack):
    "We recommend the Behringer ECM8000 microphone (with a proper preamp) or the Galaxy CM-140 SPL meter for full range measurements. Limit your measurements with the Radio Shack SPL meters to 3KHz." - link

    Rives Audio test kit - link
    $690 standard
    $1000 professional

    GA CM # / MSRP / Amazon / Selected Fx
    130 / $75 / $60 / inexpensive
    140 / $150 / $120 / *
    150 / $340 / $250 / * + graph, RS232 interface, Auto Ranging (30 ~ 130dB), auto power off
    160 / $525 / $350 / * + (above) + internal memory

    CM-C200 / $340 / $250

    * -140, -150, and CM-160 meet the same IEC 651 Type 2 standards for SPL meters

    GA CM # / Accuracy
    130 / +/- 2 dB
    140 / +/- 1.5 dB
    150 / +/- 1.5 dB
    160 / +/- 1.5 dB


    SPL Meter - Other and Test Tones
    - General SPL info - S&V Review 8/2008
    - correction charts
    ---- Excel Workbook files (HTShack) - link
    ---- JPG of correction chart (from ElTwo) - link
    ---- SVS site comments - link
    - CD corrected tones for RS meter
    ---- Rives Audio Test CD 2 - link
    ---- NOTE: Rives Audio CD does not correct for the Radio Shack digital SPL meter - ref
    ---- Rives Audio Test CD 2 Instructions - link
    ---- Rives Audio Test CD 2 CHART (color) - link
    ---- Rives Audio Test CD 2 CHART (B&W) - link
    - CD UN(?)-corrected test tones
    ---- av123 Subwoofer Test Tone CD - link
    ---- Real Traps Test Tone CD - link
    - Circuit modifications - RS model 33-2050 - link


    Subwoofer Calibration/Optimization Links
    - A-holics (8/2008) An Easy Solution To Subwoofer Calibration - link
    - A-holics (8/2004) Subwoofer Calibration Using Rives Audio Test CD 2 - link
    - Avia Subwoofer Calibration tips - link
    - Bossobass - Subwoofer Setup Guide by Bossobass - link old (see PDF enclosed)
    - Robroy Common Subwoofer Setup Errors - link

    (for some broken links from A-holics you might have to look at the link and Google search or re-type in manually the link)

    Other Subwoofer Links
    - Myths about Subwoofers (Audiopulse) - link


    Subwoofer Equipment for Calibration/Optimzation (not SPL meters)
    - AV123 R-DES (no longer made)
    ---- Review - Secrets of Home Theater & High Fidelity 9/2006
    - Behringer Feedback Destroyer (BFD) Pro DSP1124P - link
    - Behringer Ultradrive Pro DCX2496 - link
    - DSPeaker Anti-mode 8033 - link
    - Rives Audio PARC (Parametric Adaptive Room Compensation) - link
    - QSC DSP-30 - link
    - SVS AS-EQ1 Subwoofer EQ - link
    - Velodyne SMS-1 - link

    *add or organize* - with Audyssey, XTZ, Emo-Q (???), MACC, REQ
    Trinnov, RoomPerfect, MRC


    Home Theater Spot -- Room Acoustics Discussion Forum
    Thread link
    HT Acoustics FAQ link

    Education
    GIK Acoustics (Education) - http://www.gikacoustics.com/education.html
    Sound Isolation (Green Glue) - http://www.greengluecompany.com/technicallibrary.p...

    Useful Links
    Acoustical Treatments that Don't Work (HTS) - http://www.hometheaterspot.com/showtopic.php?tid/1...
    Acoustical Forum (Rives) - http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/rives/bbs.html
    AVS Forum

    Services
    Erskine-Group Architectural Acoustics- http://www.erskine-group.com/
    Rives Audio - http://www.rivesaudio.com/
    Seaton (Mark)

    Companies / Products
    Fiberglass (703) - ...
    Fiberglass (705)
    GIK Acoustics - http://www.gikacoustics.com/
    Guilford OF MAINE (GOM) fabric - acoustically transparent
    --- GIK - http://www.gikacoustics.com/gom_fabrics.html#build
    Green glue - http://www.greengluecompany.com/
    RPG Diffusor Systems - http://www.rpginc.com/
    QuietRock drywall - http://www.quietrock.com/quietrock-drywall.html?_k...

    Calibration CD / Software
    See also:
    - "SPL meters, Sub calibration, etc" thread - http://www.hometheaterspot.com/showtopic.php?tid/1...




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    I thought it would be useful to have a summary of room and speakers analysis programs and equipment for people to refer to.

    I am no means an expert on this and have only used Audyssey and Audyssey Pro, but I think as the subs role out from TCA that the ability to measure and share data will be helpful.

    Please let me know what to add...

    Mike
    Attached Files
    HT Gear (AVS Link)
    Rk: MA WR-37-32
    Pwr: 20A, Surge-X SEQ, M1500-UPS
    Proj: JVC RS20, 128" 2.4:1 CaradaBW, ISCOIIIL, CineSlide, RadianceXE
    Cbl: DirectTV C31/700 Genie receiver
    Rec: 5308CI + XPA-3
    BR: Oppo BDP-103
    Gm: 360 Pro
    LR/C: RS1KSig/RSC200Sig
    S/R: RSS300/RS250MkII
    Sub: SVS PB12-Ultra/2
    Off: HRT MS DAC, USP-1, UPA-2, ERC-1, Ultra10, WAF-1 Ninja+No-Rez
    Off2: Gizmo, WAF-1
    TCA: 3x Gizmo 1.0or,5x v1.0M; 5xWAF-1

  • #2
    Audyssey MultEQ Pro kit

    Audyssey Pro information
    See my HT thread link (here & here) for info on personal (vs. dealer) ordering of Audyssey Pro

    Better resolution (32 measures vs. 8) and ability to "see" the results (before/after screens).
    Link

    Installer Program - gear:
    What’s included in the Installer Kit?
    The Installer Kit includes a calibrated preamplifier, calibrated microphone, microphone stand, MultEQ Pro Application CD, mini-XLR cables, mini-XLR-to-RCA adapter, USB cable, R232 cable, and a carrying bag to hold it all.


    General Installer FAQ
    FYI...
    (I added red. Important things I am/was looking at for using a laptop that might change and knowing the probable "Pro" cost versus buying on my own with the possibility of unlimited tweaking repeats.)

    "How much should I charge for an Audyssey MultEQ Pro Calibration?
    There is no MSRP for an Audyssey MultEQ Pro® Calibration. Pricing is set by the installer—a survey of all Audyssey installers found that the average selling price for the calibration is $500. An installer can adjust this price up or down depending on the number of measurements, time spent on the job, and expertise using the software application."

    "Can I sell an Installer Kit to a customer? How much does it cost?
    An installer may sell an Audyssey installer kit to a customer so he may calibrate his own system. MSRP for the Audyssey Installer Kit is $550."

    "Can I install the MultEQ Pro® software application on more than one computer?
    Yes. The MultEQ Pro® software application may be installed on multiple computers."

    "Can I use the same license for multiple receivers?
    No. Each Audyssey Installer-Ready product requires a separate license.

    Do License Keys expire?
    Yes. Once you purchase a License Key it can be used any time in the next 30 days. If the installation happens after 30 days or if you wish to return to the customer for a re-calibration at a later time, you will have to re-generate a new key (at no cost). This is done by logging in on the Audyssey Installer website and clicking “generate new key” (under Purchase/Activate MultEQ Pro Licenses)."


    Audyssey Installer website: http://www.audyssey.com/InstallerWeb/Home.aspx

    Contact & Tech Support

    Headquarters:
    Audyssey Laboratories, Inc.
    350 South Figueroa Street, Suite 233
    Los Angeles, California 90071
    Tel: 213-625-4300
    Fax: 213-625-4383

    Send us your questions or comments:
    Audyssey Customer Support
    [email protected]

    ------------------------------------------
    $550 for kit
    $150/license (each AVR)


    You can call Audyssey at Contact/installer list and tell them you don't have a local installer and want to do it yourself.
    HT Gear (AVS Link)
    Rk: MA WR-37-32
    Pwr: 20A, Surge-X SEQ, M1500-UPS
    Proj: JVC RS20, 128" 2.4:1 CaradaBW, ISCOIIIL, CineSlide, RadianceXE
    Cbl: DirectTV C31/700 Genie receiver
    Rec: 5308CI + XPA-3
    BR: Oppo BDP-103
    Gm: 360 Pro
    LR/C: RS1KSig/RSC200Sig
    S/R: RSS300/RS250MkII
    Sub: SVS PB12-Ultra/2
    Off: HRT MS DAC, USP-1, UPA-2, ERC-1, Ultra10, WAF-1 Ninja+No-Rez
    Off2: Gizmo, WAF-1
    TCA: 3x Gizmo 1.0or,5x v1.0M; 5xWAF-1

    Comment


    • #3
      Calibration Software
      - Acoustisoft ETF
      ---- RPlusD (= ETF6, 3/3/09) - link
      ---- ETF5 (replaced by RPlusD = ETF6) - link
      ---- Rubinson, Kalman, 7/1998 – Stereophile – on ETF4 - link
      - REW - Room EQ Wizard
      ---- REW link
      ---- REW help files - link
      - Rives Audio software site - link .
      - True RTA - link
      HT Gear (AVS Link)
      Rk: MA WR-37-32
      Pwr: 20A, Surge-X SEQ, M1500-UPS
      Proj: JVC RS20, 128" 2.4:1 CaradaBW, ISCOIIIL, CineSlide, RadianceXE
      Cbl: DirectTV C31/700 Genie receiver
      Rec: 5308CI + XPA-3
      BR: Oppo BDP-103
      Gm: 360 Pro
      LR/C: RS1KSig/RSC200Sig
      S/R: RSS300/RS250MkII
      Sub: SVS PB12-Ultra/2
      Off: HRT MS DAC, USP-1, UPA-2, ERC-1, Ultra10, WAF-1 Ninja+No-Rez
      Off2: Gizmo, WAF-1
      TCA: 3x Gizmo 1.0or,5x v1.0M; 5xWAF-1

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      • #4
        Excellent, thanks for the extensive leg work, Mike. I will be referring to this page.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tesseract
          Excellent, thanks for the extensive leg work, Mike. I will be referring to this page.
          Thanks.
          I will try to organize the cut and paste mess more later.
          I just got back from a great Indian meal in Washington DC with great conversation and wine.
          Time to crash out.

          Mike
          HT Gear (AVS Link)
          Rk: MA WR-37-32
          Pwr: 20A, Surge-X SEQ, M1500-UPS
          Proj: JVC RS20, 128" 2.4:1 CaradaBW, ISCOIIIL, CineSlide, RadianceXE
          Cbl: DirectTV C31/700 Genie receiver
          Rec: 5308CI + XPA-3
          BR: Oppo BDP-103
          Gm: 360 Pro
          LR/C: RS1KSig/RSC200Sig
          S/R: RSS300/RS250MkII
          Sub: SVS PB12-Ultra/2
          Off: HRT MS DAC, USP-1, UPA-2, ERC-1, Ultra10, WAF-1 Ninja+No-Rez
          Off2: Gizmo, WAF-1
          TCA: 3x Gizmo 1.0or,5x v1.0M; 5xWAF-1

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          • #6
            Now that Audyssey MultiEQ XT32 is out, wonder if anyone has tried this and seen any improvements? Has MCACC or YPAO seen improvements?

            I know I always have to tweak each channel after an auto setup to equalize the volume a db or two. And I've heard quite a few complaints about auto setup, particularly with crossover being too high (sounds like post correcting this won't include any equalization below what was auto set), or too low which always happens for me.

            So, my biggest question is, is manual correction the way to go, and do most receivers give you the ability to set the level for each equalization range by playing a tone in that range so you can use a meter to adjust?

            Auto correction takes a good amount of time, especially with 9 point tests. I would think the manual method if it's available, would be a bit quicker? And does it give you a better soundstage and overall experience?

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            • #7
              Nice work Mike.
              There's a fine line between gardening and Madness.
              -Cliff Clavin

              Comment


              • #8
                iPhone SPL meter application recs?

                Cross posted here, but...

                Anyone using iPhone sound pressure level (SPL) apps?
                Recommendations?


                I just read a Sterophile review where he was looking at the SPL at a concert and thought it might be neat.
                One of the apps descriptions said it is better than the RS meter, which I doubt.

                Also, I've seen: Audio Tools ($19.99) - SPL, RTA, Generator, Line Level Tests, Audio Scope...etc

                Studio Six Digital SPL Meter (or just "SPL") has some high rankings but one is $0.99 and one is $8.99

                I've also seen noted a difference with the 3G microphone, but no mention of the iPhone 4 mic.

                Thoughts?

                Mike
                HT Gear (AVS Link)
                Rk: MA WR-37-32
                Pwr: 20A, Surge-X SEQ, M1500-UPS
                Proj: JVC RS20, 128" 2.4:1 CaradaBW, ISCOIIIL, CineSlide, RadianceXE
                Cbl: DirectTV C31/700 Genie receiver
                Rec: 5308CI + XPA-3
                BR: Oppo BDP-103
                Gm: 360 Pro
                LR/C: RS1KSig/RSC200Sig
                S/R: RSS300/RS250MkII
                Sub: SVS PB12-Ultra/2
                Off: HRT MS DAC, USP-1, UPA-2, ERC-1, Ultra10, WAF-1 Ninja+No-Rez
                Off2: Gizmo, WAF-1
                TCA: 3x Gizmo 1.0or,5x v1.0M; 5xWAF-1

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                • #9
                  What calibration products do you use (mult answers ok)?

                  Originally posted by etcarroll
                  Nice work Mike.
                  Thanks.

                  I was thinking of starting a separate thread/poll linked to this thread asking people what EQ/calibration they use.

                  The polls are limited to 10 items.
                  Here is a partial list -- what to add or cut?

                  What calibration products do you use (mult answers ok)?

                  - None
                  - Manual
                  - Audyssey products (incl SVS ASEQ1) - please specify in post
                  - XTZ
                  - MACC
                  - Trinnov
                  - DSP
                  - Behringer product
                  - YPAO

                  ....

                  Mike
                  HT Gear (AVS Link)
                  Rk: MA WR-37-32
                  Pwr: 20A, Surge-X SEQ, M1500-UPS
                  Proj: JVC RS20, 128" 2.4:1 CaradaBW, ISCOIIIL, CineSlide, RadianceXE
                  Cbl: DirectTV C31/700 Genie receiver
                  Rec: 5308CI + XPA-3
                  BR: Oppo BDP-103
                  Gm: 360 Pro
                  LR/C: RS1KSig/RSC200Sig
                  S/R: RSS300/RS250MkII
                  Sub: SVS PB12-Ultra/2
                  Off: HRT MS DAC, USP-1, UPA-2, ERC-1, Ultra10, WAF-1 Ninja+No-Rez
                  Off2: Gizmo, WAF-1
                  TCA: 3x Gizmo 1.0or,5x v1.0M; 5xWAF-1

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Subwoofer Setup Guide by Bossobass

                    Subwoofer Setup Guide by Bossobass - PDF enclosed...


                    Mike
                    Attached Files
                    HT Gear (AVS Link)
                    Rk: MA WR-37-32
                    Pwr: 20A, Surge-X SEQ, M1500-UPS
                    Proj: JVC RS20, 128" 2.4:1 CaradaBW, ISCOIIIL, CineSlide, RadianceXE
                    Cbl: DirectTV C31/700 Genie receiver
                    Rec: 5308CI + XPA-3
                    BR: Oppo BDP-103
                    Gm: 360 Pro
                    LR/C: RS1KSig/RSC200Sig
                    S/R: RSS300/RS250MkII
                    Sub: SVS PB12-Ultra/2
                    Off: HRT MS DAC, USP-1, UPA-2, ERC-1, Ultra10, WAF-1 Ninja+No-Rez
                    Off2: Gizmo, WAF-1
                    TCA: 3x Gizmo 1.0or,5x v1.0M; 5xWAF-1

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Home Theater Spot -- Room Acoustics Discussion Forum - links

                      More links from a FAQ I was working on at Home Theater Spot...
                      (obviously also not complete, but a work in progress...)


                      Home Theater Spot -- Room Acoustics Discussion Forum
                      Thread link
                      HT Acoustics FAQ link

                      Education
                      GIK Acoustics (Education) - http://www.gikacoustics.com/education.html
                      Sound Isolation (Green Glue) - http://www.greengluecompany.com/technicallibrary.p...

                      Useful Links
                      Acoustical Treatments that Don't Work (HTS) - http://www.hometheaterspot.com/showtopic.php?tid/1...
                      Acoustical Forum (Rives) - http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/rives/bbs.html
                      AVS Forum

                      Services
                      Erskine-Group Architectural Acoustics- http://www.erskine-group.com/
                      Rives Audio - http://www.rivesaudio.com/
                      Seaton (Mark)

                      Companies / Products
                      Fiberglass (703) - ...
                      Fiberglass (705)
                      GIK Acoustics - http://www.gikacoustics.com/
                      Guilford OF MAINE (GOM) fabric - acoustically transparent
                      --- GIK - http://www.gikacoustics.com/gom_fabrics.html#build
                      Green glue - http://www.greengluecompany.com/
                      RPG Diffusor Systems - http://www.rpginc.com/
                      QuietRock drywall - http://www.quietrock.com/quietrock-drywall.html?_k...

                      Calibration CD / Software
                      See also:
                      - "SPL meters, Sub calibration, etc" thread - http://www.hometheaterspot.com/showtopic.php?tid/1...


                      -----------------
                      I haven't checked that all the links transferred.
                      I will update post #1 occasionally and at the HTS site.


                      Mike
                      HT Gear (AVS Link)
                      Rk: MA WR-37-32
                      Pwr: 20A, Surge-X SEQ, M1500-UPS
                      Proj: JVC RS20, 128" 2.4:1 CaradaBW, ISCOIIIL, CineSlide, RadianceXE
                      Cbl: DirectTV C31/700 Genie receiver
                      Rec: 5308CI + XPA-3
                      BR: Oppo BDP-103
                      Gm: 360 Pro
                      LR/C: RS1KSig/RSC200Sig
                      S/R: RSS300/RS250MkII
                      Sub: SVS PB12-Ultra/2
                      Off: HRT MS DAC, USP-1, UPA-2, ERC-1, Ultra10, WAF-1 Ninja+No-Rez
                      Off2: Gizmo, WAF-1
                      TCA: 3x Gizmo 1.0or,5x v1.0M; 5xWAF-1

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Dayton OmniMic Precision Measurement System

                        Anyone using this...

                        Dayton OmniMic Precision Measurement System
                        From AVS Thread:
                        http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1293353

                        Looks like Dayton has made the move to come up with a very simple system for measuring, with a calibrated usb mic.

                        Seeing as I haven't had the best luck with REW on the hardware side I'm going to pick one of these up when they become avail.
                        But it looks promising & simple from what I can see.
                        Kal Rubinson stated he'll be getting one, I would imagine to put up against the XTZ unit.
                        Parts Express Order page
                        http://www.parts-express.com/pdf/390-790b.pdf
                        User info / Manual - pdf download

                        MSRP: $350
                        Parts Express (from PDF): $298

                        From PE site

                        Dayton Audio's OmniMic is a must-have for system integrators, acoustic engineers, and A/V installers.
                        It was developed in collaboration with Liberty Instruments, inventors of the Praxis analysis tool.
                        The OmniMic provides quick and accurate measurements that will reduce installation time, saving you both labor and money.
                        Test signals may be initiated from the host computer, or from any audio CD player.
                        System includes calibrated USB microphone, mic clip, software and test signal discs, 6 ft. USB cable, and carrying case.
                        Compatible with Windows XP, Vista, and Windows 7.
                        • Extremely quick and easy to use with intuitive software—open the box, start testing in minutes
                        • High quality calibrated USB microphone for accurate measurements
                        • Developed in collaboration with Liberty Instruments, inventors of the Praxis Measurement System
                        • Perfect for setting up home theater systems
                        • Design and tune speaker systems and arrays
                        • Optimized for use with Netbooks and Laptop computers to enhance portability
                        • Compact, portable, accurate, affordable
                        • For professionals and hobbyists
                        • Compatible with Windows XP, Vista and Windows 7
                        Measurements include:
                        • SPL meter with A, B, C, or no weighting
                        • Spectrum analyzer, FFT, or RTA
                        • Frequency response with phase and impulse response
                        • Oscilloscope function to view complex waveforms
                        • Harmonic distortion: 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th harmonics plus THD
                        • RT60 reverberation: measures sound reflection
                        • Bass decay function identifies room modes and helps determine proper subwoofer placement

                        Parts Express thread -- Link


                        Mike
                        HT Gear (AVS Link)
                        Rk: MA WR-37-32
                        Pwr: 20A, Surge-X SEQ, M1500-UPS
                        Proj: JVC RS20, 128" 2.4:1 CaradaBW, ISCOIIIL, CineSlide, RadianceXE
                        Cbl: DirectTV C31/700 Genie receiver
                        Rec: 5308CI + XPA-3
                        BR: Oppo BDP-103
                        Gm: 360 Pro
                        LR/C: RS1KSig/RSC200Sig
                        S/R: RSS300/RS250MkII
                        Sub: SVS PB12-Ultra/2
                        Off: HRT MS DAC, USP-1, UPA-2, ERC-1, Ultra10, WAF-1 Ninja+No-Rez
                        Off2: Gizmo, WAF-1
                        TCA: 3x Gizmo 1.0or,5x v1.0M; 5xWAF-1

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                        • #13
                          Re: Dayton OmniMic Precision Measurement System

                          This is finally available? It is new, so no one has it yet, but I expect it to become pretty popular.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by tesseract
                            Re: Dayton OmniMic Precision Measurement System

                            This is finally available? It is new, so no one has it yet, but I expect it to become pretty popular.
                            It is available at Parts Express now (see links above)
                            Check out the AVS thread.
                            Someone was posting graphs in either the Audyssey or Seaton AVS threads.
                            I'll try to track that down and link later.
                            I tried REW, but never really got the hang of it.
                            This might work for me.
                            Do I need it, no.
                            (Well, define "need" :poke:)

                            This might be a price sweet spot to get more people measuring and posting results.

                            Mike
                            HT Gear (AVS Link)
                            Rk: MA WR-37-32
                            Pwr: 20A, Surge-X SEQ, M1500-UPS
                            Proj: JVC RS20, 128" 2.4:1 CaradaBW, ISCOIIIL, CineSlide, RadianceXE
                            Cbl: DirectTV C31/700 Genie receiver
                            Rec: 5308CI + XPA-3
                            BR: Oppo BDP-103
                            Gm: 360 Pro
                            LR/C: RS1KSig/RSC200Sig
                            S/R: RSS300/RS250MkII
                            Sub: SVS PB12-Ultra/2
                            Off: HRT MS DAC, USP-1, UPA-2, ERC-1, Ultra10, WAF-1 Ninja+No-Rez
                            Off2: Gizmo, WAF-1
                            TCA: 3x Gizmo 1.0or,5x v1.0M; 5xWAF-1

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                            • #15
                              You know, this sounds like the perfect "self" christmas gift for mojave or tesseract.

                              Now if they only had new equipment to test it on.......:hide:
                              -Greg

                              Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. - Barry Switzer

                              HO's Basement Take 2

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