How to define Irony - Steveo, FPB, Matt and Seth

[craigsub]

The irony for the first part of this thread is merely gentle poking fun at FPB for thinking I am a right wing conservative ...

Look at what Steveo just posted at AVS ...

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Why anyone would want to deal with these clowns is beyond me. That would be CS and MLS. Think of Craigsub as the bad MLS, he's the other side of Mark that doesn't know how to ban anybody. Craigsub has always carried MLS' water over at AV123 when the going got tough and of course he does it here too. And we all know that CS has had a business relationship with MLS for several years now. He can't thread the needle on that one. Craigsub is the Joe Biden of AV123. And he sounds like a used car salesman to boot. And have you ever dealt with one of those guys?

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Craig, why don't you just come clean about Mark's role with TCA and when it REALLY started?



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Craig are you sure what YOU are saying is not pure BS? OK so the ownership of the legal entities is indeed separate, but we both know AV123 and TCA operationally have been two different retail channels of the same company.

Mark was up to his eyeballs in TCA long before the MFW review, OK not designing products himself, but coordinating the designers, lining up suppliers, even strategizing which parts of the market TCA would serve and which AV123 would serve. Clearly your relationship with Mark and AV123 designers, suppliers, and factories has a tremendous impact on your ability to get into the industry and for TCA to even exist. Heck Mark and AV123 have troubles in 2008 and you are forced to "close" TCA because of a lack of products. Coincidence...heck no! Your firms operate as one in the same and the issues Mark had with suppliers and factories affected BOTH firms.

I am not sure what purpose continuing to deceive people serves in your mind, but I think you really need to come clean about this stuff and start being honest for a change.



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Craig are you sure what YOU are saying is not pure BS? OK so the ownership of the legal entities is indeed separate, but we both know AV123 and TCA operationally have been two different retail channels of the same company.

Mark was up to his eyeballs in TCA long before the MFW review, OK not designing products himself, but coordinating the designers, lining up suppliers, even strategizing which parts of the market TCA would serve and which AV123 would serve. Clearly your relationship with Mark and AV123 designers, suppliers, and factories has a tremendous impact on your ability to get into the industry and for TCA to even exist. Heck Mark and AV123 have troubles in 2008 and you are forced to "close" TCA because of a lack of products. Coincidence...heck no! Your firms operate as one in the same and the issues Mark had with suppliers and factories affected BOTH firms.

I am not sure what purpose continuing to deceive people serves in your mind, but I think you really need to come clean about this stuff and start being honest for a change.




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Quote:
Originally Posted by craigsub
Mr. Chang, it was said that I am in business with them, when, in fact, I am not. That makes it Pure BS.

Really??? Pure BS???

You can delete threads from your forum to try to rewrite the past, but the truth eventually will get out...

This was posted by MLS on your forum on 11-24-2008 in a thread titled mls joins TCA in an Official Role in the Product Announcements section:

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Do we have a couple of people in this thread that have some personal scores they're trying to settle??? Just asking, because sadly enough it sure seems like it to me.

I don't have any personal score to settle with Craig Chase. My only beef with him is the not as promised Gizmo 1.0 he sold me, then offered to buy back, and then would not take back until I got an RMA from none other than his friend (but not business associate)... Mark Schifter.

I know I always have my friends handle my RMAs and order fulfillment too.

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Well, that's quite a conspiracy you've uncovered there Inspector Clouseau.

The point was that that "new role" for MLS actually existed well over a year before those public posts and WELL before Craig posted his supposedly independent review of the MFW-15.

I would think that in a thread about the MFW-15 that refers to someones review and ranking of the sub, the credibility, and business relationships of the reviewer might be pertinent info for someone evaluating the review and contemplating a purchase. YMMV.

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it really shouldn't matter how much the purchase was for. and if you were just busting his balls, making him jump through some hoop as a personal entertainment you should really not have done that as it is not professional.

I figured he was joking, and even went so far as to clarify with him if he was joking. He swore he was serious and then got agitated with me for questioning him.

PS: I never did contact Mark Schifter for my RMA number, so I better get right on that.

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Originally Posted by craigsub
At the time, I thought we were friends. Obviously I was mistaken.

Funny that is exactly how I thought about you. To think I supported you and your business only to be rewarded with threats and insults. I even gave you a pass the first couple of times thinking you were just having a bad day. I drank the koolaide, fell for the sales spin...no more.

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At the time, I thought we were friends. Obviously I was mistaken.

Funny, because after your meet in Sept 2007 I would have said the same thing about you. But FWIW, that feeling of friendship slowly evaporated over time through my interaction with you online.

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Originally Posted by craigsub
By electing not to, you tacitly were deciding to accept the option of a $50 credit towards future products or a new V 1.1 Gizmo. You were also giving up (after 30 days) the opportunity to return the Gizmo for a refund.

Jump forward to January, 2009, three plus months after this subwoofer issue was made public, and I announce that TCA would be closing once we sold out of inventory. It's pretty hard to run a store with no inventory. I said on the same day (January 4) that I will figure something out for those people who were planning to use the $50 credit towards a future product. All I asked for was some time to sort things out.

Yes I was willing to wait for a Rev 1.1, but that was before you decided to close your store.

I afforded you the chance to return it over 90 days later.

As you should have since it appeared at that point there would be no Rev 1.1 Gizmo... Unfortunately when I tried to take you up on the offer you sent me on a Mission Impossible to get a Return Authorization from MLS. Had you told me to get in contact with Ray you'd have gotten it back already and we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

[craigsub]

I expect stupidity from Steveo. And he did not let me down.

There will come a time when I possibly will responde to both Matt and Seth in detail.

For now, I wanted to keep their posts here in case the mods at AVS decide to terminate the posts there.

[uw69]

I expect stupidity from Steveo. And he did not let me down.

There will come a time when I possibly will responde to both Matt and Seth in detail.

For now, I wanted to keep their posts here in case the mods at AVS decide to terminate the posts there.

Pretty good bet they will modify those posts. Hey, craig, any B stock gizmo's?

[craigsub]

Once AV123 reopens the forum - and assuming MLS gets things better organized there, I plan on having the remaining Gizmos sent to Erie for our fulfillment center.

This will include returns - we will likely have some "blem" units, too.

So yes, count on some "B" and maybe "C" stock.

[Ray3]

Pretty good bet they will modify those posts. Hey, craig, any B stock gizmo's?

I just sent you a PM.

[uw69]

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[tooskinny]

Craig. My reply on AVS about talking about home audio was not towards you at anyway. If someone has a problem come here and talk to you about it.

[dvenardos]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony

i⋅ro⋅ny
1   /ˈaɪrəni, ˈaɪər-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ahy-ruh-nee, ahy-er-] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -nies.
1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
2. Literature.
a. a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.
b. (esp. in contemporary writing) a manner of organizing a work so as to give full expression to contradictory or complementary impulses, attitudes, etc., esp. as a means of indicating detachment from a subject, theme, or emotion.
3. Socratic irony.
4. dramatic irony.
5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
6. the incongruity of this.
7. an objectively sardonic style of speech or writing.
8. an objectively or humorously sardonic utterance, disposition, quality, etc.

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[lngbruno]

Craig,

Those guys just don't get your dry sense of humor, do they?

I was a little taken back by Seth's comments since I too thought you two hit it off at your September 2007 GTG. Is it me or does anyone else think Seth reminds them of Sheldon on the Big Bang Theory TV show...takes everything literally, doesn't understand sarcasm, and lacks a sense of humor.

Hey, when are you and Curtis going to kiss and make up? :poke: :assshake: :neener:

I know, I know - when hell freezes over...:angel:

Lou

[craigsub]

Tooskinny - No worries.

Lou - Maybe if I used smaller words ? A flow chart ?

:smoke1:

[tooskinny]

Tooskinny - No worries.

Lou - Maybe if I used smaller words ? A flow chart ?

:smoke1:

Cool. I have been following the thread over there for the last couple of days.

Gonna be fun to see what happens when ever AV123 comes back on line.

[lngbruno]

Lou - Maybe if I used smaller words ? A flow chart ?

:smoke1:

Craig,

[quadman]

Hey, when are you and Curtis going to kiss and make up?

You know, I'm sure Curtis is a nice guy.... but he follows his own inner truth. No matter how far out of the realm of reality it is sometimes. Once he's convinced himself of something, there is never any going back on it. I still don't think he believes that (prior to my flooding problems), my HT speakers (I have no HT right now) consisted of AUDES Blues as R/L mains, the AUDES Sentral center channel, the Studios as rear surrounds. Even though I posted a review and thank you in the guestbook of the AUDES USA website in 2001 (I think the guestbook is gone now thanks to spammers), posted a review on Audioreview.com as well in 2001 or was it 2002? I also posted many times about them going back YEARS on the AVS forum, have them listed in my profile in both AVS and AV123 personal profiles since 2002.... I still think he's convinced that my house is full of Rocket Rosewood.

Not that he comes right out and says it mind you.... just little innuendos and comments that he used to send my way. Giving him a bit of credit, he hasn't done so recently, but then again, we haven't crossposted in the same thread in a long, long time either.

The "Jones" he seems to have for Craig though.... is just mind boggling.