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  • Spoiler alert: I didn't like the Dark Knight Rises

    I hate to say it, but I didn't like the movie. I saw headlines about a few negative reviews that were scathed by fanboys online just before the movie premiered. I have to say, not having read the reviews, I think a good ripping was warranted of this film.

    I loved the previous "The Dark Knight" film. I did not like "Batman Begins." I found the 3rd and final was closer to the first (not just in story) than the second.

    1, The most obvious flaw of the latest installment was, in my mind, the HORRIBLE audio mixing job they did with the voices. It was hard to make out the native english speaking actors at times, and Bane was barely understandable. I thought for a while it was the theater or my own brain being lazy. "There's NO WAY an audio production engineer would have let the content hit the shelves like this" I thought. The movie needs subtitles. Badly.

    2. Bane is butchered as a character. Here's the wiki description:
    Bane is an escaped convict from an island prison in South America and a super-villain/assassin. Bane has abnormal strength as a result of having had undergone experiments involving a derivative of the drug Venom. He became known as "The Man Who Broke the Bat" when he broke Batman's spinal cord, forcing Bruce Wayne to give up the Batman persona while he recuperated.
    The only piece of that that is true in the movie is the last sentence. I can appreciate Heath Ledger taking liberties with the Joker, but it was at least a fun modern take on the character.
    Bane in the new film is just another anarchist with super strength that no one explains. His mask is mostly pointless as is his dialogue. And why is he wearing a thick winter coat through the majority of the movie? Black Mask would have been a better villain for this plot.

    3. Anne Hathaway is a forgetable catwoman. Had I not said that, you could have gone the whole film without knowing she was catwoman. Hot or not, her character was utterly pointless in the film. I could see this being a "set up" film for a later film appearance like Batman Begins, but this is supposedly the final installment.

    4. Throughout the film, everyone figures out who batman is, except for Commisioner Gordon. Dumb.

    5. Robin again is another setup character, but what was the point? There are going to be no more movies. Nevermind I still can't get over this is the kid from 3rd Rock. there are some characters that can't escape former roles. (al bundy anyone?)

    6. We saw Batman become batman in "Begins." We saw him kick ass in "Dark Knight." He's already old and decrepid in this version before he's fought Penguin, Riddler, Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, Dr. Strange, etc. There's a huge time gap in story that doesn't make sense. We deserved at least a few more movies before Bruce Wayne used a cane.

    7. No one fires Alfred.

    8. The voice accent for Bane sounded like an imitation of Sean Connery. From SNL, think Celebrity Jeapardy.

    I will say I enjoyed the ending of the film. But as a whole, I'm thoroughly disappointed this was the best they could come up with in 2 hrs and 45 minutes of cinema.

  • #2
    Took my youngest to the theater, and I have to agree with every point you made. I spent most of the movie wondering what was said, the dialogue was largely unintelligible.

    Point #7... do you mean "You don't simply fire Alfred"? :biglaugh:

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    • #3
      I felt like the dialogue was like that in a lot of the second movie, especially when it was Batman. "I'm Batman, and I'm suffering from a very bad case of hoarse voice."

      I among the minority most likely, but I thought the second one was way overrated, and I have no intention of going to see this one. I thought the first one was by far the best of this series, and as time goes on I have a greater appreciation for how Michael Keaton portrayed the Batman character more and more.
      Coach Pat Summitt - Folding at Home

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      • #4
        Thanks for posting your thoughts. I'm the opposite - I liked "Batman Begins" much better than "The Dark Knight". So perhaps I'll like this one more than you.

        But I have a young daughter, so I won't find out for ~6 months when it's on BluRay.

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        • #5
          You guys are crazy! I could hear the voices just fine. The theater must have not been calibrated properly. Make sure you are not comparing voices from TDK on bluray at home to this at your theater which seems lousy after what you said. Bane's voice resonated loud and clear in my THX theater. As for the movie I much prefer the League of shadows than any of the regular villains. Yes this was much closer to the original but it ties it together. The dark Night wa awesome but I bet if Heath Ledger did not die it would have not been the same(God rest his soul). I thought this was the best one. Listen, Nolan was only making 3 and thank goodness it won't get destroyed but some other money hungry directed like Schumacher did to Burton's! Super heroes and villains always know each other, not the common folk. Gordon figured it out after Batman gave him the clue!

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          • #6
            I really enjoyed it too, though I did also have difficulty understanding the dialogue in my local theater. Like gwilks, I also immediately thought of the "I"ll take the rapists for $400" fake Connery impression when listening to Bane, but it didn't spoil my enjoyment of the movie. I watched it from the perspective of someone that is a fan of action movies in general and superhero movies in particular, but I am far from a purist when it comes to the original comic book story lines, which I think actually helps me to enjoy the movies despite the liberties taken with the characters. Great trilogy that I will enjoy watching again in the future.

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            • #7
              Just finished seeing it tonite. My daughter wanted to know where all the action was. Catwoman's story line was just forgettable except the last few minutes of the movie when she actually decided to get involved with what was going on. Agree that the cane and Bruce's condition made the beginning of the movie just drag on and on. They could have developed the story at a much quicker pace to keep things rolling and a bit more interesting.

              There are far too many complaints of a poor quality dialogue mix for it to be nearly every theater in america that is having problems reproducing it. I saw it in the auditorium of one of our locals that has very high quality playback on several movies I have watched in it and this one was terrible.

              Everyone is kidding themselves if they do not think the end of this one is a setup for at least another installment with Robin even if it is without Batman.

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              • #8
                I enjoyed the movie very much but I am not a comic book purist. I love super hero action movies though. A buddy of mine at work is huge into the the comics and was a bit disappointed, but in general he liked it.

                As for Bane's voice, the THX theater I saw it in I could here Bane no trouble at all. I actually liked how he sounded.

                I have not read anywhere that there will not be any additional flicks in the Batman series. It was my understanding the Nolan wasn't directing any more. I didn't read anywhere that WB/DC Comics was shutting down any future films for Batman.

                Again I liked the movie very much and enjoyed the twist at the end as I didn't know anything about the comics to tip me off about what was coming.

                Fun flick and a definite Bluray buy in the future.

                -Aaron
                Originally posted by dvenardos, it mad me laugh and now it's my sig.
                Originally posted by dvenardos
                Your right, the TCA sub is crap, it couldn't possibly compete with an MFW-15 or a name brand 12" sub, and Jack and Ray are just schilling for their boss. We should know better than to listen to what those bozos have to say.

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                • #9
                  I did not care for this movie at all. I watched it at 11:30 pm on sunday night. I vehemently disliked the first movie in this trilogy, and this movie reminds me of it.

                  If definitely did not inherit any of the magic that part 2 exhibited. Bane in this movie is a pitiful representation of the freakishly strong, yet cunning character from the comic book. I admit I am a former comic book buff but I understand you have to watch movies on their own merit.

                  But this was just plain stupid in my opinion. How can you have Bane without his chemically enhanced inhuman side? To me, this movie version of Bane is comparable to having Bruce Banner who never turns into the Hulk.

                  Bane's street savy along with his chemically enhanced size and strength are what defines his character in the comics. How can you have a onscreen version of Bane that totally deletes half of Bane's character therein destroying what separates him from other Batman antagonists.

                  I was truly disappointed in this movie and how they bastardized Bane's character. Anne Hathaway as Catwoman was forgettable at best. It had a decent story along with good cinematography so that is why I still give it a B.

                  But compare it to part 2 of the trilogy and falls short by a country mile. Compare it to any part of the Batman-Bane rivarly in the comic books and it's just plain trash.
                  I came, I saw, I purchased.

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                  • #10
                    I recently went back and watched Batman Begins and forgot how enjoyable it was. This past wednesday I watched Dark Knight again on bluray and it really is epic and fantastic in so many ways. Ledger's Joker is pretty tough to beat although the ending always bothered me a little and seemed a bit forced.

                    Then I saw Dark Knight Rises and this too I found very enjoyable. I barely noticed the length because it had a good pace and never got boring. I remember thinking at one point it seemed like 2 movies back to back.

                    I saw it at a Muvico theater where they have 4K projectors and excellent sound quality. The sound seemed a bit louder than usual and Bane was unintelligible in a few scenes. I look forward to the bluray where I can turn on subtitles or if we're lucky I won't need to. I saw the Star Trek reboot in the same theater and the sound was perfect with that.

                    I don't really care if it's accurate to the comics. Movies change things. Bane was impressively badass as is and I think efforts to make him hulk-like would've been distracting. As a former Marine I know too much bulk actually gets in the way of flexibility and can slow you down. So it makes more sense for him to be from the LOS if he's relatively normal sized.

                    I rather liked Catwoman's story and way she toyed with batman/wayne. AH was convincing enough and easy on the eyes. If anything I wished there was more of her in the movie.

                    I really liked the ending and am a bit frustrated Nolan is opting out of doing more but then it's understandable too. I'm sure he's ready to move on to other things.

                    I really can't nitpick the movie too much (plus that's just not my style.)

                    I don't understand all of the criticism. It's entertainment. A Popcorn movie.

                    And I while I consider this trilogy superior to Tim Burton's 2 batman flicks I still like and appreciate them too.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by corndog71
                      I recently went back and watched Batman Begins and forgot how enjoyable it was. This past wednesday I watched Dark Knight again on bluray and it really is epic and fantastic in so many ways. Ledger's Joker is pretty tough to beat although the ending always bothered me a little and seemed a bit forced.

                      Then I saw Dark Knight Rises and this too I found very enjoyable. I barely noticed the length because it had a good pace and never got boring. I remember thinking at one point it seemed like 2 movies back to back.

                      I saw it at a Muvico theater where they have 4K projectors and excellent sound quality. The sound seemed a bit louder than usual and Bane was unintelligible in a few scenes. I look forward to the bluray where I can turn on subtitles or if we're lucky I won't need to. I saw the Star Trek reboot in the same theater and the sound was perfect with that.

                      I don't really care if it's accurate to the comics. Movies change things. Bane was impressively badass as is and I think efforts to make him hulk-like would've been distracting. As a former Marine I know too much bulk actually gets in the way of flexibility and can slow you down. So it makes more sense for him to be from the LOS if he's relatively normal sized.

                      I rather liked Catwoman's story and way she toyed with batman/wayne. AH was convincing enough and easy on the eyes. If anything I wished there was more of her in the movie.

                      I really liked the ending and am a bit frustrated Nolan is opting out of doing more but then it's understandable too. I'm sure he's ready to move on to other things.

                      I really can't nitpick the movie too much (plus that's just not my style.)

                      I don't understand all of the criticism. It's entertainment. A Popcorn movie.

                      And I while I consider this trilogy superior to Tim Burton's 2 batman flicks I still like and appreciate them too.
                      You missed the point entirely about Bane. The basis of Bane's character is that his inhuman, chemically enhanced strength made him a villian you could not take on physically. You had to out think him to beat him.

                      That's what made him special. To take that away and just make him another tough thug is just plain terrible. As I stated before you can't have Bruce Banner without the Hulk. By the same token you can't have Bane without chemically enhanced Big Bane.

                      It's what made him so dangerous. It's also what made Batman totally rethink his approach towards Bane in the original story because defeating Bane in a streetfight was not an option.

                      Which left Batman to have to out smart a cunning foe who was physically superior to him. That is the real story of the Batman-Bane rivalry. Not the watered down for kids, pg-13 popcorn stuff which made up this movie.
                      I came, I saw, I purchased.

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                      • #12
                        Actually in this movie bane was better, Batman was lucky to have knocked out some of his pain management devices. He was losing in the second fight until that happened. These batman movies have always been more realistic as comic book movies go. Batman always had bruises and injuries, Alfred even sewed him up in the Dark Night. I agree the joker was a better character but Bane would kick his butt too!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mktheater
                          Actually in this movie bane was better, Batman was lucky to have knocked out some of his pain management devices. He was losing in the second fight until that happened. These batman movies have always been more realistic as comic book movies go. Batman always had bruises and injuries, Alfred even sewed him up in the Dark Night. I agree the joker was a better character but Bane would kick his butt too!
                          Nolan's Bane was much stronger and with his ability to withstand pain from his mask made him impossible to beat. He just did not portray him as a huge monster.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mktheater
                            Nolan's Bane was much stronger and with his ability to withstand pain from his mask made him impossible to beat. He just did not portray him as a huge monster.
                            the biggest problem I had with Nolan's Bane was he used the wrong villain if he was going to tie it into the League of Shadows.

                            If he was going to do what he did, he should have used someone like "The Wrath" as the villain.

                            Bane is no one's pet monkey and to my knowledge he wasn't a social manipulator.

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                            • #15
                              I equate this to the same thing that happened to the Star Trek movie, people who followed the series did not like it because it changed things, but to me, it was a great movie. Same goes for this Batman, changed some things but the movie itself was great. I mean, we could have had Batman Forever again :eek: The movie itself was great, lots of action, turmoil, suspense with great actors. Lots of up and downs, twists, etc... Special effects were great too. The sound was awesome to boot! I don't think there will be another great Batman series without Nolan now, but I can hope. I was never into the whole follow the comic book exactly thing as the Dark Night killed Harvey dent as fast as they introduced him. We still enjoyed that movie. I think you guys had too high expectations or something. This movie was a real action thriller and much better than any other comic book movie this year. Well, I liked the Avengers as much but this was more serious and that was more comical, done very well. I went and saw both multiple occasions. I even liked Spiderman better than the trilogy before it. BTW, I don't follow comic books so the movies are it for me.

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