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  • Audyssey MultEQ XT32 + SubEQ HT

    I'm still trying to figure out what receiver I want to get.

    Has anyone out there compared MultEQ XT vs XT32 with the SubEQ HT?

    I've read varying degrees of listening differences on avsforum, but not sure if it is worth it to jump to that next level of receiver....

    As far as I can tell from reading, with MultEQ XT32 + SubEQ HT, each sub is calibrated separately (like with XT); however, they are also pinged together (similar to using an as-eq1). This final step being that which lets Audyssey to take into consideration the way each sub interacts with each other.

    So is it worth it?

    When you can grab an Onkyo 3008 (XT 32) out there for $1200, or an Onkyo 1007 (XT) for $669, which becomes the better deal considering the stand alone as-eq1 is more than the difference?

    What CS 18 package would work best with this?
    -Greg

    Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. - Barry Switzer

    HO's Basement Take 2

  • #2
    I am hearing that the Pioneer receivers with the Multi-Channel Acoustic Calibration (MCACC) system are playing really well with the CHT speakers.

    They also have decent chip amps with low crossover distortion, a rare thing amongst IC amplifiers.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by HuskerOmaha
      I'm still trying to figure out what receiver I want to get.

      Has anyone out there compared MultEQ XT vs XT32 with the SubEQ HT?

      I've read varying degrees of listening differences on avsforum, but not sure if it is worth it to jump to that next level of receiver....

      As far as I can tell from reading, with MultEQ XT32 + SubEQ HT, each sub is calibrated separately (like with XT); however, they are also pinged together (similar to using an as-eq1). This final step being that which lets Audyssey to take into consideration the way each sub interacts with each other.

      So is it worth it?

      When you can grab an Onkyo 3008 (XT 32) out there for $1200, or an Onkyo 1007 (XT) for $669, which becomes the better deal considering the stand alone as-eq1 is more than the difference?

      What CS 18 package would work best with this?
      I was thinking of moving to a Denon 4311CI for the XT32+Sub EQ HT.
      You should try the AVS Audyssey thread or the Audyssey forum on their site.
      I think the value of both functionalities is dependent on how good or bad an individuals system is, with "system" used as inclusive of room acoustics.
      The additional resolution of the XT32 may be more or less useful to people -- but can't hurt.
      The Sub EQ HT will be useful to people with 2 subs that are non-co-located.

      Mike
      HT Gear (AVS Link)
      Rk: MA WR-37-32
      Pwr: 20A, Surge-X SEQ, M1500-UPS
      Proj: JVC RS20, 128" 2.4:1 CaradaBW, ISCOIIIL, CineSlide, RadianceXE
      Cbl: DirectTV C31/700 Genie receiver
      Rec: 5308CI + XPA-3
      BR: Oppo BDP-103
      Gm: 360 Pro
      LR/C: RS1KSig/RSC200Sig
      S/R: RSS300/RS250MkII
      Sub: SVS PB12-Ultra/2
      Off: HRT MS DAC, USP-1, UPA-2, ERC-1, Ultra10, WAF-1 Ninja+No-Rez
      Off2: Gizmo, WAF-1
      TCA: 3x Gizmo 1.0or,5x v1.0M; 5xWAF-1

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      • #4
        Get the XT32 version. Yes, the price is hot right now, but it sure beats buying a seperate sub eq.

        http://www.audyssey.com/aboutus/pres...y-now-on-avrs-

        "Audyssey Sub EQ HT is currently in every AVR that uses MultEQ XT32. These models can be found on our website www.audyssey.com."

        This will certainly help when using same subs that are in different room environments due to position (non colocated). Or ppl running different subs (ported and sealed) also exposed to different room characteristics.

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        • #5
          Thanks guys

          I was actually thinking about this setup:

          CS-18.T ....2-18's on the SubOut or LFE 1.....RCA to amp then speaker wire to the 2 subs.

          VS-18.1.....1-18 ported on the SubOut or LFE 2......RCA to amp then RCA to sub.

          This would be of course only if I "needed" or wanted 3 subs down the road...but you would think the Eq would be easier......

          Probably going for the Onkyo 3008....Any other suggestions ....Need 9.2 but have the external amp with the Emotiva UPA-7 for my front soundstage..5.1 + Heights....

          Chris (Audyssey on avsforum) told me each sub would need its own amp for the SubEQ HT to function properly? I think that is what he told me anyways.....which makes sense to me.

          :boom:
          -Greg

          Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. - Barry Switzer

          HO's Basement Take 2

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          • #6
            heres the nr3008 for $1150 at newegg.. spread it around suckas :hissyfit:
            http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882120158

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            • #7
              each sub would need its own amp for the SubEQ HT to function properly

              Originally posted by HuskerOmaha
              I was actually thinking about this setup:

              CS-18.T ....2-18's on the SubOut or LFE 1.....RCA to amp then speaker wire to the 2 subs.

              VS-18.1.....1-18 ported on the SubOut or LFE 2......RCA to amp then RCA to sub.

              This would be of course only if I "needed" or wanted 3 subs down the road...but you would think the Eq would be easier......

              Probably going for the Onkyo 3008....Any other suggestions ....Need 9.2 but have the external amp with the Emotiva UPA-7 for my front soundstage..5.1 + Heights....

              Chris (Audyssey on avsforum) told me each sub would need its own amp for the SubEQ HT to function properly? I think that is what he told me anyways.....which makes sense to me.

              :boom:
              So no "T" for you.
              Just make sure to get subs that have their own amps.

              Mike
              HT Gear (AVS Link)
              Rk: MA WR-37-32
              Pwr: 20A, Surge-X SEQ, M1500-UPS
              Proj: JVC RS20, 128" 2.4:1 CaradaBW, ISCOIIIL, CineSlide, RadianceXE
              Cbl: DirectTV C31/700 Genie receiver
              Rec: 5308CI + XPA-3
              BR: Oppo BDP-103
              Gm: 360 Pro
              LR/C: RS1KSig/RSC200Sig
              S/R: RSS300/RS250MkII
              Sub: SVS PB12-Ultra/2
              Off: HRT MS DAC, USP-1, UPA-2, ERC-1, Ultra10, WAF-1 Ninja+No-Rez
              Off2: Gizmo, WAF-1
              TCA: 3x Gizmo 1.0or,5x v1.0M; 5xWAF-1

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              • #8
                Originally posted by gotchaforce
                heres the nr3008 for $1150 at newegg.. spread it around suckas :hissyfit:
                http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882120158
                No XT32 or SubEQ

                Per site:
                Audyssey MultEQ XTw/ Dynamic EQ & Dynamic Volume
                Mike
                HT Gear (AVS Link)
                Rk: MA WR-37-32
                Pwr: 20A, Surge-X SEQ, M1500-UPS
                Proj: JVC RS20, 128" 2.4:1 CaradaBW, ISCOIIIL, CineSlide, RadianceXE
                Cbl: DirectTV C31/700 Genie receiver
                Rec: 5308CI + XPA-3
                BR: Oppo BDP-103
                Gm: 360 Pro
                LR/C: RS1KSig/RSC200Sig
                S/R: RSS300/RS250MkII
                Sub: SVS PB12-Ultra/2
                Off: HRT MS DAC, USP-1, UPA-2, ERC-1, Ultra10, WAF-1 Ninja+No-Rez
                Off2: Gizmo, WAF-1
                TCA: 3x Gizmo 1.0or,5x v1.0M; 5xWAF-1

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mike_TX
                  No XT32 or SubEQ

                  Per site:


                  Mike
                  Multieq xt-32 according to this.

                  http://www.us.onkyo.com/model.cfm?m=...s=Receiver&p=i
                  With that wattage, the voice coil is now a Rail Gun. You get 1 note, but it will be memorable! :salute:
                  Stolen from JEFFakaMAX at AVSforum.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by frijoli
                    Well there you go!
                    :)

                    Mike
                    HT Gear (AVS Link)
                    Rk: MA WR-37-32
                    Pwr: 20A, Surge-X SEQ, M1500-UPS
                    Proj: JVC RS20, 128" 2.4:1 CaradaBW, ISCOIIIL, CineSlide, RadianceXE
                    Cbl: DirectTV C31/700 Genie receiver
                    Rec: 5308CI + XPA-3
                    BR: Oppo BDP-103
                    Gm: 360 Pro
                    LR/C: RS1KSig/RSC200Sig
                    S/R: RSS300/RS250MkII
                    Sub: SVS PB12-Ultra/2
                    Off: HRT MS DAC, USP-1, UPA-2, ERC-1, Ultra10, WAF-1 Ninja+No-Rez
                    Off2: Gizmo, WAF-1
                    TCA: 3x Gizmo 1.0or,5x v1.0M; 5xWAF-1

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                    • #11
                      No XT32?

                      Ya, I've wondered about that too.

                      Via an email I sent out to Newegg they said the Onkyo does have XT32 and they just have it listed wrong? This was a while ago...

                      Newegg-$1150 shipped, that is cheaper than B Stock on accessories4less...nice find!
                      -Greg

                      Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. - Barry Switzer

                      HO's Basement Take 2

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                      • #12
                        MultEQ XT on Sub EQ

                        Originally posted by HuskerOmaha
                        I'm still trying to figure out what receiver I want to get.

                        Has anyone out there compared MultEQ XT vs XT32 with the SubEQ HT?

                        I've read varying degrees of listening differences on avsforum, but not sure if it is worth it to jump to that next level of receiver....

                        As far as I can tell from reading, with MultEQ XT32 + SubEQ HT, each sub is calibrated separately (like with XT); however, they are also pinged together (similar to using an as-eq1).
                        This final step being that which lets Audyssey to take into consideration the way each sub interacts with each other.

                        So is it worth it?

                        When you can grab an Onkyo 3008 (XT 32) out there for $1200, or an Onkyo 1007 (XT) for $669, which becomes the better deal considering the stand alone as-eq1 is more than the difference?

                        What CS 18 package would work best with this?
                        I just dug up an old link/info on the various Audyssey options...

                        Link - Chris Kyriakakis, CTO and co-founder, Audyssey Laboratories

                        Sorry.. I added to the resolution confusion because I forgot about the firmware upgrade that doubled the resolution of the Subwoofer Equalizer and the AS-EQ1 months ago.
                        So, the correct numbers are:

                        MultEQ
                        Sats: 2x Sub: 128x

                        MultEQ XT:
                        Sats: 16x Sub: 128x

                        MultEQ XT on Sound EQ
                        Sats: 32x Sub: 256x

                        MultEQ XT 32
                        Sats: 512x Sub: 512x

                        MultEQ XT on Sub EQ
                        Sats: N/A Sub: 512x
                        Even though I don't think I have any audio problems in my HT room and have a heavily treated room, the idea of better filter resolution is intriguing.

                        Mike

                        *EDIT*
                        (a few more pertinent posts...)

                        pepar 7-12-10
                        Chris, I'm sure that you've studied this. Can you tell us the likelihood of any of this increased resolution improving the sound in a room .. under what circumstances, perhaps?
                        Audyssey (Chris K.)
                        It's hard to predict the circumstances.
                        But, in general, higher resolution means that the filters can correct much finer (narrower) peaks and dips in the low frequency region.
                        The biggest impact will likely come in the correction of the low frequency range of the satellites where the jump in resolution is very big.
                        Audyssey Multiple Subwoofer EQ Technology Now on AVRs
                        HT Gear (AVS Link)
                        Rk: MA WR-37-32
                        Pwr: 20A, Surge-X SEQ, M1500-UPS
                        Proj: JVC RS20, 128" 2.4:1 CaradaBW, ISCOIIIL, CineSlide, RadianceXE
                        Cbl: DirectTV C31/700 Genie receiver
                        Rec: 5308CI + XPA-3
                        BR: Oppo BDP-103
                        Gm: 360 Pro
                        LR/C: RS1KSig/RSC200Sig
                        S/R: RSS300/RS250MkII
                        Sub: SVS PB12-Ultra/2
                        Off: HRT MS DAC, USP-1, UPA-2, ERC-1, Ultra10, WAF-1 Ninja+No-Rez
                        Off2: Gizmo, WAF-1
                        TCA: 3x Gizmo 1.0or,5x v1.0M; 5xWAF-1

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                        • #13
                          You are good at search function

                          That puts it in plain english a little better than most when I've asked about what it would really do.

                          Knowing that your AVR could have separate control of each sub sounds "better".

                          But when does having your AVR do too much of this thing become an issue?

                          I'd like to go with Pioneer, but they don't have this ability and I can't find a 9 channel receiver that isn't $$$$$$$$$$?

                          Back to Denon/OnkyoMarantz......:dizzy:
                          -Greg

                          Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. - Barry Switzer

                          HO's Basement Take 2

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by HuskerOmaha
                            That puts it in plain english a little better than most when I've asked about what it would really do.

                            Knowing that your AVR could have separate control of each sub sounds "better".

                            But when does having your AVR do too much of this thing become an issue?

                            I'd like to go with Pioneer, but they don't have this ability and I can't find a 9 channel receiver that isn't $$$$$$$$$$?

                            Back to Denon/OnkyoMarantz......:dizzy:
                            The AVRs that have it should have the computer power to handle it.

                            Mike
                            HT Gear (AVS Link)
                            Rk: MA WR-37-32
                            Pwr: 20A, Surge-X SEQ, M1500-UPS
                            Proj: JVC RS20, 128" 2.4:1 CaradaBW, ISCOIIIL, CineSlide, RadianceXE
                            Cbl: DirectTV C31/700 Genie receiver
                            Rec: 5308CI + XPA-3
                            BR: Oppo BDP-103
                            Gm: 360 Pro
                            LR/C: RS1KSig/RSC200Sig
                            S/R: RSS300/RS250MkII
                            Sub: SVS PB12-Ultra/2
                            Off: HRT MS DAC, USP-1, UPA-2, ERC-1, Ultra10, WAF-1 Ninja+No-Rez
                            Off2: Gizmo, WAF-1
                            TCA: 3x Gizmo 1.0or,5x v1.0M; 5xWAF-1

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by HuskerOmaha
                              I'm still trying to figure out what receiver I want to get.

                              Has anyone out there compared MultEQ XT vs XT32 with the SubEQ HT?

                              I've read varying degrees of listening differences on avsforum, but not sure if it is worth it to jump to that next level of receiver....

                              As far as I can tell from reading, with MultEQ XT32 + SubEQ HT, each sub is calibrated separately (like with XT); however, they are also pinged together (similar to using an as-eq1). This final step being that which lets Audyssey to take into consideration the way each sub interacts with each other.

                              So is it worth it?
                              It isn't going to work with the 18.T Duo alone, the subs are powered by a single monobloc amp.
                              When you can grab an Onkyo 3008 (XT 32) out there for $1200, or an Onkyo 1007 (XT) for $669, which becomes the better deal considering the stand alone as-eq1 is more than the difference?

                              What CS 18 package would work best with this?
                              If you want control over each sub, then dual 18.1 Series 2 subs, dual co-located 18.T systems (4 18" passive subs, 2 amps) or dual 18.2's.

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