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    My new Swans Diva 6.2F have been installed last Tuesday the 22 of August. I bought them from Soundwave as in Fjellhamar, Norway. Thank you mr. Roger Engelstadt and Andres. I arranged transport myself. Thank you Ancora Shipping Rotterdam, Marcel Heezen.



    Say thank you shipping company!



    AUDIO AWARD

    FOR DELICATE TRANSPORTING A VERY SENSITIVE FRAGILE LOUDSPEAKER SYSTEM

    ANCORA: BEDANKT VOOR ZORGVULDIGE UITVOEREN VAN HET TRANSPORT VAN DE LUIDSPREKERS VAN NOORWEGEN NAAR GOOR, NEDERLAND!!!

    ANCORA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR CAREFULLY TRANSPORTING THE LOUDSPEAKERS FROM NORWAY TO GOOR, THE NETHERLANDS!!!

    ANCORA: MERCI BEACOUP POUR PRUDENT TRANSPORTER LES HAUT PARLEURS DE NORVIEGE ? GOOR, LES PAYS BAS!!!

    ANCORA: HERZLICHEN DANK F?R DAS SORGF?LTIG AUSGEF?HRTE TRANSPORT VON NORWEGEN NACH GOOR, HOLLAND!!!

    NAMENS / ON BEHALF OF / AU NOM DE / IM NAMEN:

    ERIC EN CAROL EFFING
    [email protected]

    The truck driver is also a audio and music lover he told me



    Previously I listened to the Swans Diva 5.1 speakers. Not bad at all!



    Boy am I nervous, do not damage anything! Now I am relaxed!





    The CD player is the Musical Fidelity A3.2 CD player and the amplifier is the A 3.2 amplifier. They are connected by the Cardas Cross interlink. Speaker cable is the Tannoy Reference Loudspeaker Cable made by van den Hul. Analoge source is the Project 6.1 turntable with Benz Micro Silver Cartridge.

    The 6.2F will be a compared with the ?old? Diva?s 5.1. Reality has come much closer, I tell you. At this moment, Thursday the 24 of August, they have played for 48 hours now.

    At last, the first one stands



    Making connections, no problem



    The appearance of this speaker is gorgeous, beautiful, grotesk, it is a fantastic piece of furniture. And it makes MUSIC. Everybody I know who sees them loves them. Even my sister was impressed, only by the photos.
    I wonder about the dimensions of this speaker. On the Internet it is promised 1330 x 500 x 440. It is in reality: height:1270 width 320 depth 410. Weight is 35kg; I can lift it personally, just under the end cap on the top. Good fitness!

    Placement is no problem. I have no problems in connecting the speaker cable. It is a biwire cable and I managed even to connect all four end in the terminal under the bottom of the speaker. The four installed feet are covered with rubber so the speakers don?t rock. Maybe Jon will provide me spikes, as I requested him before the speakers arrived. As an official Swans Owner I have the right to install official spikes.

    Nr. 2 waiting for birth, at that moment there was a power failure.



    First impressions: the sound is simply stunning, natural, attractive, cosy, dynamic. Right now I am listening to music from Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Haydn and Mahler. All from the Denon PCM Digital Sound of the Future CD GES-9149. Never before have I experienced such natural sound from instruments coming trough loudspeakers.

    I hear every instrument in a symphonic orchestra naturally being projected in my living room. The midrange is a leap forward for me in enjoying our composers. Especially the grand piano in ADAGIO from Sonate Path?tique from Beethoven by Bruno Leonardo Gelber is a revelation. I can hear the little hammers ticking the snares. Even the most controversial sounds of this grand piano sound natural and understandable. It sounds just right to my ears.

    I feel that the combination of Musical Fidelity and the aluminium cones of the 5.1 was too bright. I have not heard any restrained sound until now. This review will be continued tomorrow.

    Lovely end cap



    So, here we are, 72 hours later from beginning. You should know that I owned Audiostatic ES100 electrostatic speakers for 3 years. These type of speakers are famous for their airy highs. As I experience the velvet and sweet sounding highs emerging from 6.2F I am constantly reminded of the sound of these large panels, stored in my memory. This is a major compliment to the designers and audio engineers of Swans.

    Although my ears are about 20 cm under the top mounted tweeters I do not experience a lack of spaciousness or too much mids.

    And it goes on. Now we are one week further. Mostly by night the 6.2?s were fed with 19Hz or pink noise. My wife, who leaves after me for work, puts pink noise or music on by daytime. She picked out for example a ?Schwarzwalder Kuckucksuhr?! It is clearly that, however slowly, the volume can now be raised a little higher without being experienced harder that before. They must break in. It seems to bring less and less resonance and still less listening fatigue.

    Dynamics are growing stronger. In comparison with the 5.1 the 6.2 F is much smoother, especially in the mids and highs. Sometimes my wife and I look up; is it outside? No, it is the deep low notes the 6.2F can reproduce, especially on low volumes. This is very remarkable. I am now describing the sound, not the music.

    I also feel that depth is growing. The television is in between the 6.2?s and despite this physical barrier there?s al lot of things to do in front and behind the speakers. The width to the sides is still not a too big improvement; maybe because I ran the 5.1?s tri-amplified. And I feel that the lack of bi-wiring here is a pity; it would definitely bring the 6.2 to a even higher level.

    I know that the 6.2 still need to burn in. With my 30 years experience I may expect definite opening of the speaker?s abilities coming weekend. The speakers have run sound or music for 120 hours. But the natural sound is striking, especially on natural instruments.

    This speaker offers tremendous capacity of resolving details in a natural way. We are now watching a documentary on the NDR (Nord Deutsche Rundfunk) about the living of bears in Sweden.

    Full sight, serious stuff



    Almost every bird is heard and all the details that mother nature offers us in Seden. Of course has it been registered good and the sound quality of the NDR documentaries is outstanding.

    This is a major progression to the 5.1. Considered the small difference in pricing I must admit that the designers have reached an enormous leap forward. Taking into consideration that I have never heard the 6.1 who?s cabinet?s inner space is bigger than the 5.1. Therefore I was surprised that the inner space of the 5.1 under the bass opening was empty. So I filled this space with riversand, 30 kg per cabinet. That resulted in more defined quality and rigidity and staging. So far, the natural sound, easier dynamics and extended bass AND the looks of the 6.2 are a great winner. Maybe inserting spikes instead of the delivered feet open up the soundstage to left and right. But that is for the future and for John Lane to make me an offer for 8 spikes.



    Now, 04-09-06, I am two weeks listening and burning in. I put the speakers some more in front of me and the soundstage and depth opens up. Yesterday we had a party in the neighbourhood. Everybody was sitting in a garden far away and I continuously left this party nervously to torture the 6.2?s. I cranked up the Musical Fidelity to 11.00 hours listening to ?Push? from Madonna?s ?Confessions on a Dancefloor?.

    I was frightened by the air pressure that struck me and looked behind me to check for damage. It felt like if I was pulled into a wormhole. Physical dimensions of my living room disappeared and the music was around me, inside me. This one really builds pressure. And the most positive was that the sound remained free of any strain. I felt as if the bass notes were in front, before, behind and beside me. Of course this music is artificial in some way but it clearly indicates that I an now able to rock the house and those of my neighbours and the animals beyond me?. My wife requested me not to leave the party so often. But: when the cat leaves the house, the mice are dancing?..

    One further advantage of pulling the Swans further from the backwall is improved imaging. Voices are sharply placed, and the highs are a bit more powerful. This is noted reminding that the television is between the speakers, thus a real physical barrier. Now I wonder if this review is ready to post. Music is important for me. I now hear Louis Armstrong gruggling his throat better than ever. Ladysmith Black Mombaso has BEAUTIFUL voicing. Their CD ?Long Walk To Freedom? is a giant killer if you like South African Music and memories of our holiday that we spent last year in the Western Cape of South Africa.

    I feel I am ready for my conclusion. I have made the right choice to buy Swans Speakers again. My faith in Swans was established in listening to the Diva 5.1 for three years.

    The improvement Swans has achieved is extraordinary. I never heard the 6.1 but I believe that even the improvement over the 6.1 must also be big, very big. I can only say that these speakers are fully worth every saved EURO for sound quality and appearance. I love Kevlar. My audio friends loved the looks in the flyer of HiVi and so did their wives.

    This one sells from the paper. Look at the old fashioned radio from 1959.



    Any questions are welcome, I will answer them enthusiastically. Not all photos are sharp, my father is not used to our Digital SLR Canon EOS 300. But he did help me lifting these boys out of their blankets. Father, thank you! Despite your 71 years you are still strong.

    Eric Effing
    The Netherlands

  • #2
    Eric, thanks for writing such a detailed review! Excellent job. Glad to hear you are enjoying your 6.2s so much. I'm definitely glad I took the leap on the 5.2s, they're amazing.

    I would be curious to see a picture (if possible) of the bottoms of your bases where the binding posts are. You say you were able to fit TWO speaker wires into your binding posts?? I wonder if maybe HiVi has already upgraded the binding posts to larger ones since I ordered mine, or if the European versions might be different. There is no way you could fit two wires into my binding posts. In fact a single 12 gauge wire doesn't really quite fit.

    Jon sent me spikes for mine since mine also came with flat, round feet, but I was only able to use them on one of the speakers. The other one was not drilled for the spikes and had only tiny holes big enough for the screws on the feet. The two speakers had completely different feet holes! So I'm waiting on a friend with carpentry talent to come over and drill proper holes for me. I'm not comfortable doing it myself.

    Thanks again. Enjoy!
    Jeff

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    • #3
      Do I see plugs in both of your bass ports? Why, may I ask, did you leave those in there? That would make the speaker sealed instead of ported and would have a dramatic effect on the sound. Have you tried them with one or both of the ports open? My 5.2s did not come with any port plugs. I did try plugging one port on each speaker using a rolled up towel just to see what difference it made, but I did not like the sound. It took away too much bass.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by einsteinjb
        Eric, thanks for writing such a detailed review! Excellent job. Glad to hear you are enjoying your 6.2s so much. I'm definitely glad I took the leap on the 5.2s, they're amazing.

        I would be curious to see a picture (if possible) of the bottoms of your bases where the binding posts are. You say you were able to fit TWO speaker wires into your binding posts?? I wonder if maybe HiVi has already upgraded the binding posts to larger ones since I ordered mine, or if the European versions might be different. There is no way you could fit two wires into my binding posts. In fact a single 12 gauge wire doesn't really quite fit.

        Jon sent me spikes for mine since mine also came with flat, round feet, but I was only able to use them on one of the speakers. The other one was not drilled for the spikes and had only tiny holes big enough for the screws on the feet. The two speakers had completely different feet holes! So I'm waiting on a friend with carpentry talent to come over and drill proper holes for me. I'm not comfortable doing it myself.

        Thanks again. Enjoy!
        Jeff
        Dear Jeff,

        Thank you for the compliments, it took about two weeks to complete this report. I do not have a photo of the bottom. But I have a biwire cable that end up in four banana lugs at each cable end. The binding post has in fact two holes: one at the side and one at the end. At the end I can easily plug in one banana lug, as usually is done. The other one can be clamped in the hole that is on the side. Unscrewing the thread is neccessary before you can clamp the lug on the side. Than you must turn down the thread again. With a little fantasy it can be done. If you do not understand, feel free to visit me.

        Regards,

        Eric Effing

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        • #5
          Wow, what a nice review, Eric. From a fellow Dutchman (and my brother's name is Erik -- there's a coincidence) let me congratulate you on your vision and taste! :wink:

          As far as the famous Swan foam port plugs, they're there to (1) primarily act as a means to seal the cabinet in shipping, and (2) secondarily act as a way to convert the bass reflex tuning to an overdamped acoustic suspension system for those of you absolutely using a subwoofer and electronic highpass crossover to the main speakers.

          A bass reflex system goes much lower but has double the attenuation rate at cutoff. Using the plugs makes it easier to integrate that active subwoofer, provided you remember to highpass those main speakers! Blocking the ports results in substantially higher cone excursion and can damage the woofers. Cross 'em over if you do this to take the bass out of the signal path.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by einsteinjb
            Do I see plugs in both of your bass ports? Why, may I ask, did you leave those in there? That would make the speaker sealed instead of ported and would have a dramatic effect on the sound. Have you tried them with one or both of the ports open? My 5.2s did not come with any port plugs. I did try plugging one port on each speaker using a rolled up towel just to see what difference it made, but I did not like the sound. It took away too much bass.
            Dear einsteinjb,

            The photo is taken the day the speakers were installed. I removed the bottom port plug. This creates the best bass response in my room. I have plenty of time to experiment with these plugs. Priority is perfect placement. I use a digital distance measuring device to confirm my ears's listening ability. I was two mm short, comparing left to right distance to the rear wall.

            Best regards,

            Eric Effing

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jon Lane
              Wow, what a nice review, Eric. From a fellow Dutchman (and my brother's name is Erik -- there's a coincidence) let me congratulate you on your vision and taste! :wink:

              As far as the famous Swan foam port plugs, they're there to (1) primarily act as a means to seal the cabinet in shipping, and (2) secondarily act as a way to convert the bass reflex tuning to an overdamped acoustic suspension system for those of you absolutely using a subwoofer and electronic highpass crossover to the main speakers.

              A bass reflex system goes much lower but has double the attenuation rate at cutoff. Using the plugs makes it easier to integrate that active subwoofer, provided you remember to highpass those main speakers! Blocking the ports results in substantially higher cone excursion and can damage the woofers. Cross 'em over if you do this to take the bass out of the signal path.
              Dear John,

              See my answer to einsteinjb. When I heard the first tones coming from the speakers WITHOUT the two plugs inserted I thought it was far too much bass and it sounded uncontrolled. So now I removed the bottom plug and it sounds wonderfully controlled. I never play loud, only during neighbourhood parties when all are out of their houses. That is one day per year. I may experiment with the bottom plug removed too, and then I will inform you.

              Best regards,

              Eric Effing

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              • #8
                Excellent review effin018!

                My 6.2s are always bringing a smile to my face. I really did have to listen to my whole music collection over again. What was amazing is that I "discovered" music that I appreciated much more playing through the Swans than I did before I had such a nice speaker. These babies are family members now. You would have to kill me to take them.

                They are a very very good for the money. I am curious now Jon, what do you feel is the natual evolution (upgrade) past these in your opinion ? Not that my wife will let me do this anytime soon.. :)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by cveale
                  They are a very very good for the money. I am curious now Jon, what do you feel is the natual evolution (upgrade) past these in your opinion ? Not that my wife will let me do this anytime soon.. :)
                  Heh. Why, Aspen, of course. Stay tuned -- best performance and best value yet in internet-direct speaker brands...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by effin018
                    Originally posted by einsteinjb
                    Do I see plugs in both of your bass ports? Why, may I ask, did you leave those in there? That would make the speaker sealed instead of ported and would have a dramatic effect on the sound. Have you tried them with one or both of the ports open? My 5.2s did not come with any port plugs. I did try plugging one port on each speaker using a rolled up towel just to see what difference it made, but I did not like the sound. It took away too much bass.
                    Dear einsteinjb,

                    The photo is taken the day the speakers were installed. I removed the bottom port plug. This creates the best bass response in my room. I have plenty of time to experiment with these plugs. Priority is perfect placement. I use a digital distance measuring device to confirm my ears's listening ability. I was two mm short, comparing left to right distance to the rear wall.

                    Best regards,

                    Eric Effing
                    Dear einsteinjib and John,

                    About these plugs: I just also removed the bottom plugs from the speaker and in my room this causes too much accent on the drumbeats and lack of tight bass. I also feel that micro dynamics and voices suffer placement and detail. So I put back the bottom plugs and my smile re-appeared on my face. Madonna agrees with me and sings along! I can hardly believe that this will cause damage to the speakers, unless you play on levels that these speakers can achieve. But at that point the police and fire department and the whole neighbourhood will ask you where the concert is! Further more this will cause minor earth tremblings on the Richter Scale. I mostly never listen above 80-85dB.

                    The speakers are still getting better and I am so happry with this choice. John, do you need a Swans-agent for the Netherlands?

                    Will be back soon on more,

                    Eric Effing

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by effin018
                      Originally posted by effin018
                      Originally posted by einsteinjb
                      Do I see plugs in both of your bass ports? Why, may I ask, did you leave those in there? That would make the speaker sealed instead of ported and would have a dramatic effect on the sound. Have you tried them with one or both of the ports open? My 5.2s did not come with any port plugs. I did try plugging one port on each speaker using a rolled up towel just to see what difference it made, but I did not like the sound. It took away too much bass.
                      Dear einsteinjb,

                      The photo is taken the day the speakers were installed. I removed the bottom port plug. This creates the best bass response in my room. I have plenty of time to experiment with these plugs. Priority is perfect placement. I use a digital distance measuring device to confirm my ears's listening ability. I was two mm short, comparing left to right distance to the rear wall.

                      Best regards,

                      Eric Effing
                      Dear einsteinjib and John,

                      About these plugs: I just also removed the bottom plugs from the speaker and in my room this causes too much accent on the drumbeats and lack of tight bass. I also feel that micro dynamics and voices suffer placement and detail. So I put back the bottom plugs and my smile re-appeared on my face. Madonna agrees with me and sings along! I can hardly believe that this will cause damage to the speakers, unless you play on levels that these speakers can achieve. But at that point the police and fire department and the whole neighbourhood will ask you where the concert is! Further more this will cause minor earth tremblings on the Richter Scale. I mostly never listen above 80-85dB.

                      The speakers are still getting better and I am so happry with this choice. John, do you need a Swans-agent for the Netherlands?

                      Will be back soon on more,

                      Eric Effing
                      I read my replies and see that I am not clear regarding the plugs. My favourite way is: listening with the bottom plugs IN PLACE AND UPPER PLUGS REMOVED.

                      Sorry for this inconvience, I just discovered my vague description.

                      Look forward to hear from you,

                      Eric

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                      • #12
                        Thanks for the clarification Eric. So you do have one port open on each speaker. I think Jon's concern was that sealing both ports might place the drivers in danger of damage because the speakers are meant to be ported, not sealed. As long as you have at least one port open per speaker I'm sure they're fine, and if they sound best to you that way, excellent!

                        (Of course if you feel the 6.2s have too much bass for your tastes and/or your room, you might have been just as happy with the 5.2s... ;)

                        Incidentally, have you done any acoustic treatments in your room? It looks like a very live room with the windows, hardwood floor, etc. I had to treat my room; it's a small bedroom, only 11' x 11'9" (I think that's 3.35 meters x 3.58 meters?), wall to wall carpet but plenty of close, parallel drywall surfaces and right angles, creating that lovely, popular combination of flutter echoes with comb filtering plus too much early reflections. Yech. Room sounds much better now with some simple acoustic panels, and my DIY bass traps/broadband absorbers will be finished soon. :)

                        Congratulations, enjoy them. I'm looking forward ANXIOUSLY to Monday when my new 5.2C will be delivered!!! :D

                        Originally posted by effin018
                        Originally posted by effin018
                        Originally posted by effin018
                        Originally posted by einsteinjb
                        Do I see plugs in both of your bass ports? Why, may I ask, did you leave those in there? That would make the speaker sealed instead of ported and would have a dramatic effect on the sound. Have you tried them with one or both of the ports open? My 5.2s did not come with any port plugs. I did try plugging one port on each speaker using a rolled up towel just to see what difference it made, but I did not like the sound. It took away too much bass.
                        Dear einsteinjb,

                        The photo is taken the day the speakers were installed. I removed the bottom port plug. This creates the best bass response in my room. I have plenty of time to experiment with these plugs. Priority is perfect placement. I use a digital distance measuring device to confirm my ears's listening ability. I was two mm short, comparing left to right distance to the rear wall.

                        Best regards,

                        Eric Effing
                        Dear einsteinjib and John,

                        About these plugs: I just also removed the bottom plugs from the speaker and in my room this causes too much accent on the drumbeats and lack of tight bass. I also feel that micro dynamics and voices suffer placement and detail. So I put back the bottom plugs and my smile re-appeared on my face. Madonna agrees with me and sings along! I can hardly believe that this will cause damage to the speakers, unless you play on levels that these speakers can achieve. But at that point the police and fire department and the whole neighbourhood will ask you where the concert is! Further more this will cause minor earth tremblings on the Richter Scale. I mostly never listen above 80-85dB.

                        The speakers are still getting better and I am so happry with this choice. John, do you need a Swans-agent for the Netherlands?

                        Will be back soon on more,

                        Eric Effing
                        I read my replies and see that I am not clear regarding the plugs. My favourite way is: listening with the bottom plugs IN PLACE AND UPPER PLUGS REMOVED.

                        Sorry for this inconvience, I just discovered my vague description.

                        Look forward to hear from you,

                        Eric

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by einsteinjb
                          Thanks for the clarification Eric. So you do have one port open on each speaker. I think Jon's concern was that sealing both ports might place the drivers in danger of damage because the speakers are meant to be ported, not sealed. As long as you have at least one port open per speaker I'm sure they're fine, and if they sound best to you that way, excellent!

                          (Of course if you feel the 6.2s have too much bass for your tastes and/or your room, you might have been just as happy with the 5.2s... ;)

                          Incidentally, have you done any acoustic treatments in your room? It looks like a very live room with the windows, hardwood floor, etc. I had to treat my room; it's a small bedroom, only 11' x 11'9" (I think that's 3.35 meters x 3.58 meters?), wall to wall carpet but plenty of close, parallel drywall surfaces and right angles, creating that lovely, popular combination of flutter echoes with comb filtering plus too much early reflections. Yech. Room sounds much better now with some simple acoustic panels, and my DIY bass traps/broadband absorbers will be finished soon. :)

                          Congratulations, enjoy them. I'm looking forward ANXIOUSLY to Monday when my new 5.2C will be delivered!!! :D

                          Dear einsteinjib,

                          The room is about 9 meters long and 3 meters wide in the living part and 2 meters wide for the kitchen part. Height is 2.30 meter. The entry walls are made of plaster, as is the wall behind the listening position. In front of the speakers there is thick carpet, as there is one in the backside of the room. I have nice thick curtain that I can close in winterdays and hot summerdays. They have a very positive effect on the sound. At the left side wall seen from the listening position we bought a nice painted canvas from Ikea. It acts as an absorber for the mids. On the right side seen from the listening position we have installed a cd storage system made of wood, also from Ikea. It acts as an absorber and diffusor. Furthermore: wy wife has made many 3D puzzles from Wrebbit, Canada. These puzzles also absorb sound. They are made of foam that form the item. Like the Atlantis Space Shuttle (hanging on the ceiling high above the TV between the Swanses), Sydney Opera House, Big Ben, Taj Mahal,
                          Appollo 13, Taipeh 101, Burjh Al Arab (on the left Swans!) Sears Tower (on the right Swans) R2D2, CNN Tower, Sears Tower Chicago, and Downtown Manhattan Island. As you know, this hobby is a matter of finding compromises in the living room. I have very tight bass response, happily.

                          Will be back,

                          Eric Effing

                          Originally posted by effin018
                          Originally posted by effin018
                          Originally posted by effin018
                          Originally posted by einsteinjb
                          Do I see plugs in both of your bass ports? Why, may I ask, did you leave those in there? That would make the speaker sealed instead of ported and would have a dramatic effect on the sound. Have you tried them with one or both of the ports open? My 5.2s did not come with any port plugs. I did try plugging one port on each speaker using a rolled up towel just to see what difference it made, but I did not like the sound. It took away too much bass.
                          Dear einsteinjb,

                          The photo is taken the day the speakers were installed. I removed the bottom port plug. This creates the best bass response in my room. I have plenty of time to experiment with these plugs. Priority is perfect placement. I use a digital distance measuring device to confirm my ears's listening ability. I was two mm short, comparing left to right distance to the rear wall.

                          Best regards,

                          Eric Effing
                          Dear einsteinjib and John,

                          About these plugs: I just also removed the bottom plugs from the speaker and in my room this causes too much accent on the drumbeats and lack of tight bass. I also feel that micro dynamics and voices suffer placement and detail. So I put back the bottom plugs and my smile re-appeared on my face. Madonna agrees with me and sings along! I can hardly believe that this will cause damage to the speakers, unless you play on levels that these speakers can achieve. But at that point the police and fire department and the whole neighbourhood will ask you where the concert is! Further more this will cause minor earth tremblings on the Richter Scale. I mostly never listen above 80-85dB.

                          The speakers are still getting better and I am so happry with this choice. John, do you need a Swans-agent for the Netherlands?

                          Will be back soon on more,

                          Eric Effing
                          I read my replies and see that I am not clear regarding the plugs. My favourite way is: listening with the bottom plugs IN PLACE AND UPPER PLUGS REMOVED.

                          Sorry for this inconvience, I just discovered my vague description.

                          Look forward to hear from you,

                          Eric

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                          • #14
                            Hey Eric, I notice a turntable in your pictures. Is the turntable hooked-up and operational? :wink:

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