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I know there were some questions in the past about how large an amp was needed to drive the 700s in an HT setting. Unfortunately, I got to experience it first hand as I needed to send my Outlaw 7700 amp in for warranty work and am now using a Denon AVR4200.
It's amazing how good HT can be when driving the 700s with a larger amp and dedicated power to each channel. It's just not the same experience when the AVR has to sprinkle 125W over multiple channels.
Having said that, I imagine it's much more noticeable after you run a powerful amp versus only using an AVR. You don't know what your missing until you realize it's missing.
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Originally posted by kabin View PostIt's amazing how good HT can be when driving the 700s with a larger amp and dedicated power to each channel. It's just not the same experience when the AVR has to sprinkle 125W over multiple channels.
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Originally posted by kabin View PostI know there were some questions in the past about how large an amp was needed to drive the 700s in an HT setting. Unfortunately, I got to experience it first hand as I needed to send my Outlaw 7700 amp in for warranty work and am now using a Denon AVR4200.
It's amazing how good HT can be when driving the 700s with a larger amp and dedicated power to each channel. It's just not the same experience when the AVR has to sprinkle 125W over multiple channels.
Having said that, I imagine it's much more noticeable after you run a powerful amp versus only using an AVR. You don't know what your missing until you realize it's missing.Originally posted by Freddyknuckles View Post
So true. It's been 8 weeks since my Emotiva XPA has gone down and my Yamaha AVR driving the 752s just isn't the same. And it's not that they aren't reasonably efficient but that headroom you get with a real amp takes these speakers to tge next level. I'm getting so impatient waiting for my amp to come back I'm "this close" to buying a new amp just to have my system back together as it should be.
The key is what audiophiles call grip. Look into constant voltage and you'll find that an amplifier that is substantially load invariant will also naturally isolate the individual channels so that a transient that draws appreciable current through one channel won't affect the others. This is why I bolded the two points above.
Interestingly, both good tube amps and good exotic amps - Class A and single ended - may have good isolation. On the other end of the spectrum are inexpensive AVRs - which sound like you're finding.
Like many things in tech, the trick isn't more, it's better.
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Originally posted by Freddyknuckles View Post
So true. It's been 8 weeks since my Emotiva XPA has gone down and my Yamaha AVR driving the 752s just isn't the same. And it's not that they aren't reasonably efficient but that headroom you get with a real amp takes these speakers to tge next level. I'm getting so impatient waiting for my amp to come back I'm "this close" to buying a new amp just to have my system back together as it should be.
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Originally posted by Chane M&C View Post
I've never been fan of the all-amps-sound-alike theory. Real amplification really matters, even to the point that you could realistically reverse the standard equation and find that you can justify a few times more of an investment into amplification, not into larger speakers.
The key is what audiophiles call grip. Look into constant voltage and you'll find that an amplifier that is substantially load invariant will also naturally isolate the individual channels so that a transient that draws appreciable current through one channel won't affect the others. This is why I bolded the two points above.
Interestingly, both good tube amps and good exotic amps - Class A and single ended - may have good isolation. On the other end of the spectrum are inexpensive AVRs - which sound like you're finding.
Like many things in tech, the trick isn't more, it's better.
No doubt. That might be the best solution for less cost conscious audiophiles. I would still argue more watts at a reasonable price are needed for most HT enthusiasts.
I guess the one good thing about AVRs is they get you in the ballgame with reasonable pricing, support for modern audio/video formats, numerous inputs/outputs, switching between numerous devices, ...
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Originally posted by kabin View Post
No doubt. That might be the best solution for less cost conscious audiophiles. I would still argue more watts at a reasonable price are needed for most HT enthusiasts.
I guess the one good thing about AVRs is they get you in the ballgame with reasonable pricing, support for modern audio/video formats, numerous inputs/outputs, switching between numerous devices, ...
And it’s not even close.
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My room is 12.5' x 16.5' x 9', less than 2000 ft^3. The MLP is 10' away from the front speakers. I currently have a5.4s and an a.2.4 for LCR, driven by a Monolith 7 amp, but have recently been wanting more in terms of volume and clarity for home theater. I've been on the waiting list for L7s and L6 but, the a6.5 and the 700 series intrigues me. I've been debating in my head if I just need a larger center (a6.5) or if stepping up to the 700 or L series the better investment. The 700 series reviews of folks coming from an a2.4/5.x makes it sound like an a6.5 upgrade would not be significant enough of jump. Given that this room is 95% HT will the 752/753 combo be more than I'll ever need to hit reference levels? Or should I wait for version 2 that will be 3db more efficient?
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Originally posted by xo151 View PostMy room is 12.5' x 16.5' x 9', less than 2000 ft^3. The MLP is 10' away from the front speakers. I currently have a5.4s and an a.2.4 for LCR, driven by a Monolith 7 amp, but have recently been wanting more in terms of volume and clarity for home theater. I've been on the waiting list for L7s and L6 but, the a6.5 and the 700 series intrigues me. I've been debating in my head if I just need a larger center (a6.5) or if stepping up to the 700 or L series the better investment. The 700 series reviews of folks coming from an a2.4/5.x makes it sound like an a6.5 upgrade would not be significant enough of jump. Given that this room is 95% HT will the 752/753 combo be more than I'll ever need to hit reference levels? Or should I wait for version 2 that will be 3db more efficient?
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Originally posted by xo151 View PostMy room is 12.5' x 16.5' x 9', less than 2000 ft^3. The MLP is 10' away from the front speakers. I currently have a5.4s and an a.2.4 for LCR, driven by a Monolith 7 amp, but have recently been wanting more in terms of volume and clarity for home theater. I've been on the waiting list for L7s and L6 but, the a6.5 and the 700 series intrigues me. I've been debating in my head if I just need a larger center (a6.5) or if stepping up to the 700 or L series the better investment. The 700 series reviews of folks coming from an a2.4/5.x makes it sound like an a6.5 upgrade would not be significant enough of jump. Given that this room is 95% HT will the 752/753 combo be more than I'll ever need to hit reference levels? Or should I wait for version 2 that will be 3db more efficient?
However, 752 and 753 bump two driver sizes and bring the nice treble horn system people are finding sounds good. They are the natural move for ref levels all around.
(And for the record, we're not calling the L7 and L6 the most natural HT choice when level is the goal. They're more of a living room pairing and a move more laterally into a more sophisticated sound than the A5.5 and A2.4/A6.5. Think high end sound, where the 700's are prosumer and the A's are black box value leaders.)
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Originally posted by Chane M&C View Post
Just FYI, while the A6.5 bumps to one size larger bass drivers, it's still compact enough that the bump in sound comes from higher efficiency and not deeper bass. In fact, the A2.4 goes a little lower, but it was designed for multi-channel full range use, not dedicated center dialog work. That increase will bring a system higher volume, and for some folks, fulfill the desire they have for a vertical mid and tweeter stack.
However, 752 and 753 bump two driver sizes and bring the nice treble horn system people are finding sounds good. They are the natural move for ref levels all around.
(And for the record, we're not calling the L7 and L6 the most natural HT choice when level is the goal. They're more of a living room pairing and a move more laterally into a more sophisticated sound than the A5.5 and A2.4/A6.5. Think high end sound, where the 700's are prosumer and the A's are black box value leaders.)
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Originally posted by xo151 View Post
Thanks for your and Buford's responses. This has me definitely leaning towards the 700 series.
Cheers,
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I was looking in to this myself.to possibly upgrade my ceiling Atmos speakers. The HSU in-wall speakers came up in my research. I think that they look extremely promising.
https://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hiw-1.htmlLast edited by Spawn101; 04-14-2021, 12:37 PM.
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Originally posted by Spawn101 View PostI was looking in to this myself.to possibly upgrade my ceiling Atmos speakers. The HSU in-wall speakers came up in my research. I think that they look extremely promising.
https://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hiw-1.htmlLast edited by xo151; 04-14-2021, 05:03 PM.
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